Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

That Trillion wasn't our money though and never would be.

that £1 trillion generates abour 2% income a year, £20 billion - more than twice the cost of SM membership fees.

 

[Wicky]

Trouble is we have a pig headed, dogmatic leader trying to get a deal with an instransigent organisation

So instransigent that EU agreed to May's Backstop (see 5:30 > )

 

[Fingers]

that £1 trillion generates abour 2% income a year, £20 billion - more than twice the cost of SM membership fees.

We don't know what assets were moved. Its just as likely that money was just sitting accruing interest for a bank that doesn't pay tax in this country for those assets.

We have no idea.

 

[Danidl]

Yep, you have a point. Why agree deal in first place but were they actually involved. It was May's deal.
But the problem is OG and I include your dear self in this, nobody is willing to actually take a step back, actually study other side of argument and compromise. In reality the opposite has happened. Nearly all have become more polarised to point of radical. That is dangerous.
How many on here have actually tried to moderate , studied other publications. The MPs are just same.
I, ve said for months only way forward is ref2. Its not going to happen. We will either get May, s deal with a fudge or no deal. Who does either of those actially suit.. Nobody I suspect.
Apportioning blame as you and Tusk seem to like is pointless, damaging , argumentitive and inflamatory.
We are where we are. Today. What is next thing we do. Blaming voters, mp, s, each other, May, Corbyn, EU, etc etc will lead to violence. It must stop.

Need I say it again, Trusk did not blame voters. He did blame those who advocated and planned for a leave vote,without bothering to think about what came next. Even the Guardians headline was incorrect.

 

[Woosh]

We don't know what assets were moved. Its just as likely that money was just sitting accruing interest for a bank that doesn't pay tax in this country for those assets.

We have no idea.

Funds can have a liquidity component, but for the best part, get invested into companies.
You can get a breakdown by reading their annual reports.
JRM does the same. His firm move their funds to Dublin, they invest heavily in Russia.

 

[Danidl]

if you take out the protest votes, our bunch pretty much represents the national polls: 6 remain, 4 leave, 4 abstain.

..remember neither I nor AK have a vote.

 

[Woosh]

Need I say it again, Trusk did not blame voters. He did blame those who advocated and planned for a leave vote,without bothering to think about what came next. Even the Guardians headline was incorrect.

Tusk takes part in the blame game like TM does.
One good thing comes out of it though, the role of politicians like BJ, DD, Fox, Gove and the ERG gets better explained.
Perhaps many brexit voters see now that they share not much with those MPs.
Have you noticed that BJ, DD, Fox and Gove are surprisingly quiet at the moment?

 

[Fingers]

Tusk takes part in the blame game like TM does.
One good thing comes out of it though, the role of politicians like BJ, DD, Fox, Gove and the ERG gets better explained.
Perhaps many brexit voters see now that they share not much with those MPs.
Have you noticed that BJ, DD, Fox and Gove are surprisingly quiet at the moment?

They are all snakes. They are just waiting for their chance to strike.

Although toothless and venomless Liam will be like being mauled by a dead sheep.

 

[Woosh]

They are all snakes. They are just waiting for their chance to strike.

You mean BJ, DD, Fox, Gove and the ERG?

I thought they believe in their own rhetoric. Education and background.
members of the Oxford student union debating society and similar private school debating societies, they are well trained to defend any position.
Find me a single mathematician or physicist who supports hard brexit or even a Cambridge alumni. All Oxford.

 

[Fingers]

You mean BJ, DD, Fox, Gove and the ERG?

I thought they believe in their own rhetoric. Education and background.
members of the Oxford student union debating society and similar private school debating societies, they are well trained to defend any position.
Find me a single mathematician or physicist who supports hard brexit.

Too true.

Your last point is a tricky one though. No one really wants wto rules but we are being funneled in that direction.

To coin a phrase. No deal is better than a bad deal. The idea of paying out all that money, not having a trade deal and in effect being kept in the EU without a voice is surely worse from any viewpoint unless you're in the EU parliament.

 

[anotherkiwi]

..remember neither I nor AK have a vote.

I haven't had the right to vote since I was 21. I would probably classify as "independent external observer" with historical ties to the UK (northern bit that wants out) and living by choice in the EU. No wonder I act confused from time to time...

 

[tommie]

brilliant analysis!
Watch!...in fact all you Losers watch it twice, cos you`re really too thick and dumb to get it first time

 

[oyster]

Unfair to donkeys.

Four men with a ladder: the billboard campaigners battling Brexit


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/07/billboard-campaigners-brexit-led-by-donkeys

 

[Zlatan]

brilliant analysis!
Watch!...in fact all you Losers watch it twice, cos you`re really too thick and dumb to get it first time

Brilliant. Sums it up very well.

 

[oyster]

brilliant analysis!
Watch!...in fact all you Losers watch it twice, cos you`re really too thick and dumb to get it first time

Just why does Westminster govern the UK? Why does the Welsh Assembly or even Haverfordwest council not have total control?

So much of the world is effectively now governed by the super-rich and mega-corporations that splitting ourselves down into smaller and more separate organisations (councils, countries, whatever), leaves us ripe to be picked off.

 

[Zlatan]

Unfair to donkeys.

Four men with a ladder: the billboard campaigners battling Brexit
View attachment 28906

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/07/billboard-campaigners-brexit-led-by-donkeys

Long winded way of saying nothing. Oh, its the Guardian.. Ofcourse.

 

[Zlatan]

Just why does Westminster govern the UK? Why does the Welsh Assembly or even Haverfordwest council not have total control?

So much of the world is effectively now governed by the super-rich and mega-corporations that splitting ourselves down into smaller and more separate organisations (councils, countries, whatever), leaves us ripe to be picked off.

Super rich mega corporations.. Thats the EU for you. All congregating in Luxembourg invited by Junker on breneficial tax rates..??

 

[Kudoscycles]

Unfair to donkeys.

Four men with a ladder: the billboard campaigners battling Brexit
View attachment 28906

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/07/billboard-campaigners-brexit-led-by-donkeys

Well done,just a group of 4 guys who feel that anti Brexit is not being properly promoted....I understand they have raised £50k from a crowd funding exercise...the money came in so fast they had to stop it,until they had a method to get these posters up legally.
Well done guys.
KudosDave

 

[Woosh]

To coin a phrase. No deal is better than a bad deal. The idea of paying out all that money, not having a trade deal and in effect being kept in the EU without a voice is surely worse from any viewpoint unless you're in the EU parliament.

to a closer analysis, even no deal is only temporary, the priority is to sign up as many deals as possible and as soon as possible.
At the end, the money owing on the EU credit card needs to be paid.
The main difference is how long the IP (implementation period) is needed.
No deal requires a longer IP (3 years), staying in the SM/CU like Labour's offer is less risky and requires a shorter IP (21 months), at around £11 billion a year, potentially resulting in a smaller brexit cost.

 

[Danidl]

Too true.

Your last point is a tricky one though. No one really wants wto rules but we are being funneled in that direction.

To coin a phrase. No deal is better than a bad deal. The idea of paying out all that money, not having a trade deal and in effect being kept in the EU without a voice is surely worse from any viewpoint unless you're in the EU parliament.

There is of course an obvious alternative... Cancel Brexit!. Then UK gets.
1. No immediate lump sum requirement
2. Full voting rights and a place at the top table
3. Opportunity to select decent competent representatives for EU Parliament and EU Commission
4. Immediate access to the largest trading block in the world.
5. No Backstop..
6. Ability to influence Global policy.