Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

They were and made it. That's all

I, m not so sure on that OG. Tusks comments and nearby giggly reaction are not condusive to either a sensible way forward or a helpful attitude.
Trouble is we have a pig headed, dogmatic leader trying to get a deal with an instransigent organisation, coupled with a flawed opposition.. I, m afraid perfect storm for getting nowhere..(well no deal)
I know there are supporters of EU on here but they have not shown themselves in a great light over all this. Read the Economist. Scathing of all involved. They have a point.

Get hold of January 19th to 25th Economist. P15... The Mother Of All Messes. Sums it all up perfectly.. (Good articles elsewhere too. Brilliant publication. And not biased..)
Should be compulsory reading in Schools.. (Restraining Killer Robots quite frightening p26 same issue)

 

[oldgroaner]

BBC Business Live this morning confirmed that more than £1 trillion of assets have been transferred out of the country since the referendum.
The winners are: Frankfurt, Paris, Dublin.

I wonder who are the losers.

There should be an account somewhere of the Expenses attached to Brexit
£1 Billion eh?
And that is just for starters.
Whoever bought the Referendum result got the bargain of all time... or did they?
It may well spell disaster for them too.

 

[oldgroaner]

I, m not so sure on that OG. Tusks comments and nearby giggly reaction are not condusive to either a sensible way forward or a helpful attitude.
Trouble is we have a pig headed, doogmatic leader trying to get a deal with an instransigent organisation, coupled with a flawed opposition.. I, m afraid perfect storm for getting nowhere..
I know there are supporters of EU on here but they have not shown themselves in a great light over all this. Read the Economist. Scathing of all involved. They have a point.

Couldn't agree less,as far as I am concerned the EU isn't an intransigent organisation, it is sticking to rules we were party to making.
We made an agreement and now want to rat on it to pacify a bunch of loony right wingers who frankly don't work in the interest of our country and certainly work against that of the member states of the EU.
What difference does his attitude make to the fact that the deal that was agreed by both sides was acknowledged as the best possible by our negotiating team that then with no sense of irony voted against what they had done and even in some cases resigned over their own actions!
Hilarious!
Our Shower of politicians are to blame, not the EU, but entirely as predicted not just the press, but you too are unwilling to accept the blame where it's true
This is the situation
We decided to leave, agreed a deal, and are now ratting on it and blaming the opposition for what we have done.
How very convenient to cover a shocking failure of diplomacy on our part due to greed, lies, incompetence, treachery and complacency.

 

[Woosh]

There should be an account somewhere of the Expenses attached to Brexit
£1 Billion eh?
And that is just for starters.
Whoever bought the Referendum result got the bargain of all time... or did they?
It may well spell disaster for them too.

No, £1 trillions, 1,000 billions Pounds. Enough to pay for seventy to a hundred years of EU membership fees.
and yes, it's just a start.
JC is offering an easy deal to TM. Essentially, she only has to soften the language in the political declaration, JC will not oppose her Meaningful Vote.
Although I welcome it, my worry is if JC becomes PM, most of people with capital will move their assets out of the UK.
JC may win the PMship but the country won't have much left to build on.

 

[oldgroaner]

Couldn't agree less,as far as I am concerned the EU isn't an intransigent organisation, it is sticking to rules we were party to making.
We made an agreement and now want to rat on it to pacify a bunch of loony right wingers who frankly don't work in the interest of our country and certainly work against that of the member states of the EU.
What difference does his attitude make to the fact that the deal that was agreed by both sides was acknowledged as the best possible by our negotiating team that then with no sense of irony voted against what they had done and even in some cases resigned over their own actions!
Hilarious!
Our Shower of politicians are to blame, not the EU, but entirely as predicted not just the press, but you too are unwilling to accept the blame where it's true
This is the situation
We decided to leave, agreed a deal, and are now ratting on it and blaming the opposition for what we have done.
How very convenient to cover a shocking failure of diplomacy on our part due to greed, lies, incompetence, treachery and complacency.

After Brexit perhaps we could advertise Worldwide in the Manner you see on Failed Pubs

"Could you manage this Nation? good career prospects for someone with average political skills and a sense of commitment.
650 temporary situations vacant for immediate occupation
Previous experience in running a Whelk stall at the seaside would be an advantage

 

[oldgroaner]

No, £1 trillions, 1,000 billions Pounds. Enough to pay for seventy to a hundred years of EU membership fees.
and yes, it's just a start.
JC is offering an easy deal to TM. Essentially, she only has to soften the language in the political declaration, JC will not oppose her Meaningful Vote.
Although I welcome it, my worry is if JC becomes PM, most of people with capital will move their assets out of the UK.
JC may win the PMship but the country won't have much left to build on.

Look on the Bright side Woosh, give it another month or so and the movement of capital worry will have solved itself at the present rate!

 

[Woosh]

After Brexit perhaps we could advertise Worldwide in the Manner you see on Failed Pubs

"Could you manage this Nation? good career prospects for someone with average political skills and a sense of commitment.
650 temporary situations vacant for immediate occupation
Previous experience in running a Whelk stall at the seaside would be an advantage

Many posts do not require any discernible skill.

 

[Zlatan]

This sums it up.

 

[oldgroaner]

Many posts do not require any discernible skill.

I must challenge that remark, they need at least "A" level maths skills to fiddle their expenses forms, why even Farage can do that!

 

[oldgroaner]

This sums it up.
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Cue a bout of Hysterical laughter at the horror of it all.

But we can reassure ourselves that people knew what they were voting for.
That gives me a warm cuddly feeling inside.
After all we wouldn't want to have stepped into this cess pit accidentally would we?
Somebody wanted this to happen.
It sure wasn't me.

 

[Zlatan]

Couldn't agree less,as far as I am concerned the EU isn't an intransigent organisation, it is sticking to rules we were party to making.
We made an agreement and now want to rat on it to pacify a bunch of loony right wingers who frankly don't work in the interest of our country and certainly work against that of the member states of the EU.
What difference does his attitude make to the fact that the deal that was agreed by both sides was acknowledged as the best possible by our negotiating team that then with no sense of irony voted against what they had done and even in some cases resigned over their own actions!
Hilarious!
Our Shower of politicians are to blame, not the EU, but entirely as predicted not just the press, but you too are unwilling to accept the blame where it's true
This is the situation
We decided to leave, agreed a deal, and are now ratting on it and blaming the opposition for what we have done.
How very convenient to cover a shocking failure of diplomacy on our part due to greed, lies, incompetence, treachery and complacency.

Yep, you have a point. Why agree deal in first place but were they actually involved. It was May's deal.
But the problem is OG and I include your dear self in this, nobody is willing to actually take a step back, actually study other side of argument and compromise. In reality the opposite has happened. Nearly all have become more polarised to point of radical. That is dangerous.
How many on here have actually tried to moderate , studied other publications. The MPs are just same.
I, ve said for months only way forward is ref2. Its not going to happen. We will either get May, s deal with a fudge or no deal. Who does either of those actially suit.. Nobody I suspect.
Apportioning blame as you and Tusk seem to like is pointless, damaging , argumentitive and inflamatory.
We are where we are. Today. What is next thing we do. Blaming voters, mp, s, each other, May, Corbyn, EU, etc etc will lead to violence. It must stop.

 

[OxygenJames]

You thought , you mean you imagined
Point me a a post I made that says Putin cast a vote in the referendum
Another untruth from you

You really are a pedantic twat at times.

 

[OxygenJames]

BBC Business Live this morning confirmed that more than £1 trillion of assets have been transferred out of the country since the referendum.
The winners are: Frankfurt, Paris, Dublin.

I wonder who are the losers.

Doh. It's not Brexit they're worried about - its a Corbyn government.

That's why the money is leaving.

 

[Woosh]

Nearly all have become more polarised to point of radical.

I thought the thread is less polarised than before.
This is my perception of the current combatants:
Brexit side, from most radical: James, Tommie, Gray198, Fingers
Remain side, from most radical: OT, OG, Danidl, Oyster, Nev, Flecc
Sitting on the fence from slightly pro-brexit to slightly pro EU: Zlatan, 50Hertz, me, Robdon

 

[oldgroaner]

Yep, you have a point. Why agree deal in first place but were they actually involved. It was May's deal.
But the problem is OG and I include your dear self in this, nobody is willing to actually take a step back, actually study other side of argument and compromise. In reality the opposite has happened. Nearly all have become more polarised to point of radical. That is dangerous.
How many on here have actually tried to moderate , studied other publications. The MPs are just same.
I, ve said for months only way forward is ref2. Its not going to happen. We will either get May, s deal with a fudge or no deal. Who does either of those actially suit.. Nobody I suspect.
Apportioning blame as you and Tusk seem to like is pointless, damaging , argumentitive and inflamatory.
We are where we are. Today. What is next thing we do. Blaming voters, mp, s, each other, May, Corbyn, EU, etc etc will lead to violence. It must stop.

Sorry old chap I have already forecast what will happen, they will sign Mays deal with suitably vague guarantees attached, all the rest is theatre.
Attributing blame at this point while fun, makes not one jot of difference does it? Nobody cares that is in authority, do they?
Be realistic.i f Brexit causes hardship
What reaction are you expecting from the public?
All of this will be water under the bridge by then and by far the most damaging propaganda has come from the right wing press.
The only question about the scale of the Public's reaction is how severe it will be.
Lets imagine that Brexit is a success, people will rightly ridicule the Remain supporters and laugh at them.

Now imagine it isn't a success: better, I think not to dwell too hard on what is likely to happen , but it might be a good time to forget you voted for Brexit

 

[oldgroaner]

Doh. It's not Brexit they're worried about - its a Corbyn government.

That's why the money is leaving.

Hang on are you saying they expect him to win? when did you and they have this epiphany?
What a convenient Urban Myth you have there.

 

[oldgroaner]

You really are a pedantic twat at times.

Caught you out again, didn't I?

 

[Zlatan]

I thought the thread is less polarised than before.
This is my perception of the current combatants:
Brexit side, from most radical: James, Tommie, Gray198, Fingers
Remain side, from most radical: OT, OG, Danidl, Oyster, Nev, Flecc
Sitting on the fence from slightly pro-brexit to slightly pro EU: Zlatan, 50Hertz, me, Robdon

Fair point. Perhaps we should take charge...

 

[Woosh]

Fair point. Perhaps we should take charge...

if you take out the protest votes, our bunch pretty much represents the national polls: 6 remain, 4 leave, 4 abstain.

 

[Fingers]

No, £1 trillions, 1,000 billions Pounds. Enough to pay for seventy to a hundred years of EU membership fees.
and yes, it's just a start.
JC is offering an easy deal to TM. Essentially, she only has to soften the language in the political declaration, JC will not oppose her Meaningful Vote.
Although I welcome it, my worry is if JC becomes PM, most of people with capital will move their assets out of the UK.
JC may win the PMship but the country won't have much left to build on.

That Trillion wasn't our money though and never would be.