Brexit, for once some facts.

jonathan.agnew

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It goes back to the last referendum but the cause of this one was as I said.

Blame Clegg. Then Cameron.
in a word, no. one (of the very many) problems with leave voters is that they seem unable to grasp what their key proponents (Reese Mogg, Boris et al) are really about. trying to explain this to them is tantamount to trying to explain to a german sheperd why it should not have defecated on the new rug, so I wont try.
 

Kudoscycles

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It appears that Philip May is not the insignificant lap dog who is taken out for walkies....he may be behind most of Theresa's worst mistakes....the 2017 GE,the delaying of the meaningful vote,joining with the ERG....perhaps he was a Leaver spy inside the enemy.!!!!
No 10 seem pretty fed up with him of late.
Perhaps tomorrow Theresa may be allowed to make her own decisions????
KudosDave
 

flecc

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Actually the Public have been conditioned to be unhappy with the federal idea, which is rather silly when we live in a federation, the "United Kingdom"
Multiple federations in fact:

Britain, being the federation of England and Wales.

Great Britain, being the federation of England, Wales and Scotland.

The United Kingdom, being the federation of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

So the EU is merely another layer, but even if we leave the EU, there is still a superior body having power over us.

Namely the United Nations which as a body has far more power over us than most realise. Just have a look at the transport regulations on this UNECE web page which affect our electric two wheelers too.

And the sub-heading "How we impact your daily life" on
this web page

So much for "Taking back Control", in this globalised world that isn't possible.

*UNECE = United Nations Economic Commission for Europe

You see, another Commission in charge of many aspects of your life.
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jonathan.agnew

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It appears that Philip May is not the insignificant lap dog who is taken out for walkies....he may be behind most of Theresa's worst mistakes....the 2017 GE,the delaying of the meaningful vote,joining with the ERG....perhaps he was a Leaver spy inside the enemy.!!!!
No 10 seem pretty fed up with him of late.
Perhaps tomorrow Theresa may be allowed to make her own decisions????
KudosDave
or he is applying G4S management strategies; either way I am deeply grateful
 
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Danidl

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Multiple federations in fact:

Britain, being the federation of England and Wales.

Great Britain, being the federation of England, Wales and Scotland.

The United Kingdom, being the federation of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

So the EU is merely another layer, but even if we leave the EU, there is still a superior body having power over us.

Namely the United Nations which as a body has far more power over us than most realise. Just have a look at the transport regulations on this UNECE web page which affect our electric two wheelers too.

And the sub-heading "How we impact your daily life" on
this web page

So much for "Taking back Control", in this globalised world that isn't possible.

*UNECE = United Nations Economic Commission for Europe

You see, another Commission in charge of many aspects of your life.
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Would you not concede that the English,who are by far the largest entity, basically ignore any objections from West of the Severn,or North of the Tweed or maybe the Tyne. Such places are excellent for the holidays, but not for serious consideration? In such a model,these countries are vassels ,and not part of a federation.
 

flecc

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Would you not concede that the English,who are by far the largest entity, basically ignore any objections from West of the Severn,or North of the Tweed or maybe the Tyne. Such places are excellent for the holidays, but not for serious consideration? In such a model,these countries are vassels ,and not part of a federation.
Although largely true for many aspects, England has a long record of picking up the bill to keep those places viable. So in that sense they are very much represented. Also we did grant a government in Scotland and assemblies in Wales and N.I., sometimes with generous powers.

And we are all vassals, being not citizens but subjects of the crown, something very apparent at times from the ways we are governed. For example being told we are going to lose the Human Rights Act with no say in it and the nominal opposition not opposing that change for identical political reasons.
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flecc

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Just been listening to a Senior Fellow of the Adam Smith Institute saying the vote for Brexit was the most sensible thing that had happened for decades.

Then it was revealed that he was speaking from his home in Portugal.
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oldgroaner

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This should really have brought down the Government
NEW: Bosses of Sainsbury’s, ASDA, M&S, Co-op, Waitrose, KFC, Pret, Lidl, McDonald’s, Costcutter and the British Retail Consortium write to MPs warning about the dangers of a no-deal Brexit for choice, quality and cost of food. Here’s the letter:





Cue cries of "project fear" from our resident panel of disaster deniers.
After all, who needs experts?
 

Fingers

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This should really have brought down the Government
NEW: Bosses of Sainsbury’s, ASDA, M&S, Co-op, Waitrose, KFC, Pret, Lidl, McDonald’s, Costcutter and the British Retail Consortium write to MPs warning about the dangers of a no-deal Brexit for choice, quality and cost of food. Here’s the letter:





Cue cries of "project fear" from our resident panel of disaster deniers.
After all, who needs experts?

So we want to buy something that is for sale.

Wow. However will we work that one out?

We designed the best commercial aircraft in the history of aviation but we cannot organise a delivery of some tomatoes?

Ffs. Get a grip.
 

Woosh

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We designed the best commercial aircraft in the history of aviation but we cannot organise a delivery of some tomatoes?
I am sure we can.
An extra day in the lorry won't hurt.
I like my tomatoes a bit more ripe anyway.


BBC2 tonight, 21:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0c1rjkc

We Quit

The programme lifts the lid on the prime minister’s desperate attempts to get a new deal for Britain in Europe. Top leaders, including presidents Tusk, Juncker, Sarkozy and Hollande, reveal the details of their negotiations with Cameron.
From beers in Prague to dinners at Chequers, the prime minister tries to convince his partners to give him something to show Britain can claw back power from Brussels – especially on immigration – but he keeps getting knocked back.
 
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50Hertz

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This should really have brought down the Government
NEW: Bosses of Sainsbury’s, ASDA, M&S, Co-op, Waitrose, KFC, Pret, Lidl, McDonald’s, Costcutter and the British Retail Consortium write to MPs warning about the dangers of a no-deal Brexit for choice, quality and cost of food. Here’s the letter:





Cue cries of "project fear" from our resident panel of disaster deniers.
After all, who needs experts?
I guess they are concerned that a no deal Brexit will mean that the pool of low cost Eastern European shelf stackers, burger flippers and chip fryers might dry up. (Also known as exploited slaves by Old G and Jonny Boy). That’s the real concern harboured by these companies, they want to keep wages low and the profits high.

I agree with fingers, somebody has something they want to sell, we want to buy it, so a way to complete the transaction will happen, that’s a certainty. There is nothing more motivational than hard cash.
 
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flecc

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Which was designed by the French as the Super Caravelle years before we formed the partnership. A partnership was agreed later for each country to design their own SST for the best to be selected.

Our design was rejected, the French enlarged design of their Super Caravelle was adopted, and it was that which we jointly developed with the French in charge. This link informs

Further evidence of the French being the designers is the name Concorde with that e on the end, the French not allowing the English spelling despite Michael Heseltine's efforts to get it changed.

And in honour of the French design and leading development role, French built Concordes had all the firsts, prototype, first flight, first passenger flight, first transatlantic flight, and when it was to be decommissioned, the final transatlantic flight.

Britain has never designed a single successful intercontinental jet airliner. The nearest we ever got was the VC10, but since it was far too expensive to operate compared to the 707 no-one would buy it, so the government forced our national carrier to operate it. It brought them to their knees financially, so the VC10s were given to the RAF to operate as troop carriers and flight refuelling tankers on the MoD budget.
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tommie

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NEW: Bosses of Sainsbury’s, ASDA, M&S, Co-op, Waitrose, KFC, Pret, Lidl, McDonald’s, Costcutter and the British Retail Consortium write to MPs warning about the dangers of a no-deal Brexit for choice, quality and cost of food. Here’s the letter:
Oh no, will there be a shortage of meat??

Well no there won`t, thanks to the EU we will have more than enough tasty EU meat coming our way !

Polish police are investigating an abattoir suspected of illegally trafficking in sick cattle, which has been filmed covertly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47034219
The revelation is potentially serious for the EU, because the 2013 horsemeat scandal exposed the complexity of meat sales in Europe's single market. The scandal triggered product recalls, as officials struggled to trace suspect meat.

The film shows visibly sick cows, and abattoir workers cutting carcasses.

It is not clear where the meat went.

Polish beef exports to the UK are roughly the same as those from the Netherlands. Ireland is a much bigger beef exporter to the UK: in 2018 it provided some £723m worth.


So much for the EU and their Quality Controls - and this is what we are paying £9Bn every year for lol

Roll on the 29th March
 
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oldgroaner

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So we want to buy something that is for sale.

Wow. However will we work that one out?

We designed the best commercial aircraft in the history of aviation but we cannot organise a delivery of some tomatoes?

Ffs. Get a grip.
"We designed the best commercial aircraft in the history of aviation"
Have you had special training or is it a natural talent?
A google search for
"Best commercial aircraft in the history of aviation"
Yielded Boeing and Airbus models "comedy of this sort is remarkable

Was this the one you were thinking of?
The De Havilland Dragon Rapide.

I remember the delight of pleasure flights over the channel from the lands end airfield in the 1960's
It was indeed a beautiful aircraft and a dream to fly in
 

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