Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

Which was designed by the French as the Super Caravelle years before we formed the partnership. A patnership was agreed for each country to design their own SST for the best to be selected.

Our design was rejected, the French enlarged design of their Super Caravelle was adopted, and it was that which we jointly developed with the French in charge. This link informs

Further evidence of the French being the designers is the name Concorde with that e on the end, the French not allowing the English spelling despite Michael Heseltine's efforts to get it changed.

And in honour of the French design and leading development role, French built Concordes had all the firsts, first flight, first passenger flight, first transatlantic flight, and when it was to be decommissioned, the final transatlantic flight.

Britain has never designed a single successful intercontinental jet airliner. The nearest we ever got was the VC10, but since it was far too expensive to operate compared to the 707 no-one would buy it, so the government forced our national carrier to operate it. It brought them to their knees financially, so the VC10s were given to the RAF to operate as troop carriers and flight refuelling tankers on the MOD budget.
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You know as well as I do that without British ingenuity they couldn't have got the weight down to make it operational.

And you know what's funny. You want your cake and eat it.

On the one hand it was a disaster. An enormous waste of money. Yet the French were genius and it was all them.

What gives?

 

[Fingers]

Wrong as usual, it was French

I guess the spitfire was German as well? The Harrier jump jet North Korean?

Your hatred for this country blinds you to the facts. All you see is misery and hate.

@Zlatan has it right you need to get out more and experience a bit of life. You really are not in a bad country.

I forgive you.

 

[oyster]

Here’s the letter:

We are extremely concerned that our customers will be among the first to experience the realities of a no deal Brexit.

There can only be a small percentage of people in the country who are not their customers in some way or another.

 

[Fingers]

We are extremely concerned that our customers will be among the first to experience the realities of a no deal Brexit.

There can only be a small percentage of people in the country who are not their customers in some way or another.

These people do not have your interests at heart.

Just look at Tesco today. After stripping many high streets of butchers, fish mongers and bakers they have decided to ditch theirs now because they want to save money. This is what is causing more harm to real people. LIDL and Aldi are destroying their cabal and they are European owned.

Of course they want the status quo.

Well maybe some smart folk will make this wonderful opportunity of a lifetime work for them and in turn help the consumer save money.

Competition is good.

 

[50Hertz]

Wrong as usual, it was French

You have been fooled by the "e". It was actually a collaborative project.

You have forsaken your country. Re-engage, embrace and rejoice its glorious achievements.

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh no, will there be a shortage of meat??

Well no there won`t, thanks to the EU we will have more than enough tasty EU meat coming our way !

Polish police are investigating an abattoir suspected of illegally trafficking in sick cattle, which has been filmed covertly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47034219
The revelation is potentially serious for the EU, because the 2013 horsemeat scandal exposed the complexity of meat sales in Europe's single market. The scandal triggered product recalls, as officials struggled to trace suspect meat.

The film shows visibly sick cows, and abattoir workers cutting carcasses.

It is not clear where the meat went.
Polish beef exports to the UK are roughly the same as those from the Netherlands. Ireland is a much bigger beef exporter to the UK: in 2018 it provided some £723m worth.

So much for the EU and their Quality Controls - and this is what we are paying £9Bn every year for lol

Roll on the 29th March

How about this , then Tommie
https://www.thesun.ie/news/3078933/meat-northern-ireland-dna-four-animals/
blighty meaty Test reveals meat being sold in Northern Ireland contained DNA of up to four different animals than labelled
Lamb was the most likely to be contaminated with other animals' DNA followed by beef and goat
Mince meat was the most commonly mis-labelled product followed by sausages, kebabs and restaurant curries.
Ostrich DNA was even found in one of the samples.
Local authorities gathered the samples before sending them for analysis and this data was then sent to the FSA.

Do you have herds of Ostriches roaming the steppes in Northern Ireland, Tommie?

This is interesting you make a big deal about this
"So much for the EU and their Quality Controls - and this is what we are paying £9Bn every year for lol "

Blissfully unaware that Northern Ireland has the same unscrupulous abbattoir problems doesn't it?
Or is that the EU's problem too?

If you think for a moment, you will realise that the problem isnt with the EU regulations it is with the Polish Government's controls and also obviously the Government of Northern Ireland is guilty too.
They have both been found out, haven't they?
Since they have taken action about it, why do you raise the subject? after all you will still be getting supples from there after the Brexit date.
So please explain what the point of your gloating post was?
Why hasn't the Government of Northern Ireland put a stop to this?

Oh I forgot, they spend so much time arguing pointlessly, you haven't got one have you?
So whose fault is it?
Go on make a guess
Have you any other hobbies besides sniping at the EU?
The cork fell out of the end of your popgun on this one

 

[flecc]

You know as well as I do that without British ingenuity they couldn't have got the weight down to make it operational.

Another of the myths created to try to claim Concorde was our design. It was not and all the evidence shows that to be true. In fact the French weren't looking for technical help, their need was for a financial partner to share the immense development cost and they approached others before us.

And you know what's funny. You want your cake and eat it.

On the one hand it was a disaster. An enormous waste of money. Yet the French were genius and it was all them.

What gives?

For what gives, read back and at no point have I ever said it was genius. It was as you say a complete disaster and neither the French nor us should have proceeded with it. The Americans were far more sensible, for after looking into their proposal of a Mach 3 plane they dropped the idea like a hot potato and went ahead with the 747 jumbo.

My posts are just putting the record right, that good or bad, the French designed Concorde are therefore more responsible than us for the waste of money.

Concorde was their one big mistake, other than that they've had a superb record of jet aircraft design, showing the Americans how more than once, most notably in solving variable swept wing design. The notion that they needed our help in airframe design is laughable when our record of failures is looked at.
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[oldgroaner]

Thought for the Day

What terrible irony when you think about it. There are politicians that are hell bent on a no deal Brexit and they imagine than in a world where every business on the planet relies for it's profits on "Just in Time" supply chains, which means minimal stocks are kept, that they can suddenly go back to "Stocking up for the Winter" as businesses of old used to have to do.
Solely for the purpose of backing up a mad decision to have a clean break Brexit.

Are they all imbeciles like Boris and Moggy? or are they working deliberately to reduce the country into chaos? according to someone's agenda?

It's understandable that the issues involved may not be familiar to the Public at large, but for Politicians to ignore the situation is criminally negligent.

 

[flecc]

You have been fooled by the "e". It was actually a collaborative project.

Nonsense, was Michael Heseltine fooled by the e? Of course not, he knew why it was there and didn't like what it indicated.

It was the development that was collaborative as I've posted. The design was French from long before a partnership was sought and I've posted overwhelming information showing that to be true.

The competing British design was the six engined, 150 passenger plane known as the Bristol 223. It was jointly decided that was too large and expensive to develop so the French long range four engined 100 passenger design was the choice, and that of course is Concorde as we know it.
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[oldgroaner]

You have been fooled by the "e". It was actually a collaborative project.

You have forsaken your country. Re-engage, embrace and rejoice its glorious achievements.

Here apply some of this

might even brighten up phoney claims
The achievements of our country are not enhanced by lying and claiming the achievements of others.


scanzen
The Sud Aviation Super-Caravelle - an early design for a supersonic transport announced in 1961 at the Paris Air Show. Later merged into the Concorde project. Cover of “Popular Technics” a hungarian monthly scientific magazine,
And this

Will you now finally stop carrying on about this?

 

[oyster]

Just look at Tesco today. After stripping many high streets of butchers, fish mongers and bakers they have decided to ditch theirs now because they want to save money. This is what is causing more harm to real people. LIDL and Aldi are destroying their cabal and they are European owned.

Interesting that two out of the three companies you mention were not signatories.

My response was intended to highlight that the letter-writers' use of the term "our customers" indicates a considerably larger number than "our voters" would for any political party. Indeed, quite possibly for all political parties together.

 

[oldgroaner]

I guess the spitfire was German as well? The Harrier jump jet North Korean?

Your hatred for this country blinds you to the facts. All you see is misery and hate.

@Zlatan has it right you need to get out more and experience a bit of life. You really are not in a bad country.

I forgive you.

What I see is someone who delights in making a nuisance of himself and being disruptive, by simply trying to start off topic aguments.
So you guess
"The spitfire was German as well? The Harrier jump jet North Korean?"
Do you?
Are you claiming to have experienced a bit of life because you hang around on street corners making propaganda videos (or so you said)
Very droll, take your own advice.
Go back to Leave HQ and ask for some new material, the stuff you are coming out with is threadbare

 

[50Hertz]

Here apply some of this

might even brighten up phoney claims
The achievements of our country are not enhanced by lying and claiming the achievements of others.


scanzen
The Sud Aviation Super-Caravelle - an early design for a supersonic transport announced in 1961 at the Paris Air Show. Later merged into the Concorde project. Cover of “Popular Technics” a hungarian monthly scientific magazine,
Will you now finally stop carrying on about this?

You seem captivated by my "Turd Polish" emblem. I have noticed that you have included an enlargement within several of your posts.

I'm not claiming the achievements of others, I am stating that Concord e was a collaborative project between France and the United Kingdom, which it was. I'm not getting on your merry-go-round of despair this evening. Try goading someone else.

 

[oyster]

John Crace:

The trouble started when Labour’s Ben Bradshaw enquired how the department’s plans for a no-deal Brexit were coming along. Everything was just great, Hancock snapped. There was no cause for any alarm. The fridges had been bought and the medicines sourced and stockpiled.

Yes, he had read that some supermarkets had said there would be food shortages and that prices would go up, but the same did not apply to medicines as their supply chains were very different. Food came in through Dover, while medicines came in on ferries that did not yet exist through Ramsgate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/jan/28/mps-poo-poo-tigger-hancocks-plans-for-the-nhs-after-brexit

 

[oyster]

Here apply some of this

might even brighten up phoney claims
The achievements of our country are not enhanced by lying and claiming the achievements of others.


scanzen
The Sud Aviation Super-Caravelle - an early design for a supersonic transport announced in 1961 at the Paris Air Show. Later merged into the Concorde project. Cover of “Popular Technics” a hungarian monthly scientific magazine,
And this

Will you now finally stop carrying on about this?

About the date of that page, I had my first experience of being on an aircraft - a Caravelle, in Berlin (possibly Gatow, but no way of checking now), unfortunately not flying. Had lovely leather seats in the cockpit. Which is about all I can remember.

 

[Fingers]

Interesting that two out of the three companies you mention were not signatories.

My response was intended to highlight that the letter-writers' use of the term "our customers" indicates a considerably larger number than "our voters" would for any political party. Indeed, quite possibly for all political parties together.

I think its important to realise that those two non signatories realise the value we have.

Think about it.

If you've ever shopped on those places you'd get it. They are not hawking sub standard goods.

Moreover they are giving us the best deal.

Something Ireland should consider Dan.

Your prices are beyond through the roof

 

[Woosh]

Tories compromise.
outline of a plan:
- pay the money
- transition up to end of 2021
- negotiate fishing access

 

[Woosh]

if you are interested in the details of plan A:
https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/bf4d316c-4c0b-4e87-8edb-350f819ee031/downloads/1cugtmern_135205.pdf

 

[oldgroaner]

if you are interested in the details of plan A:
https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/bf4d316c-4c0b-4e87-8edb-350f819ee031/downloads/1cugtmern_135205.pdf

Looks very much like the backstop being in fact a Customs union by another name
The EU will look at this and read
"The UK agreed to a backstop and signed up to it, and now they want to both keep that agreement, but reserve the right to lie about their actual intentions as they have with most things they agreed to in the past.
And they want us to agree to that?

 

[oldgroaner]

projecy "fail to understand" in the Daily Express
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No deal Brexit fear DEBUNKED: Trade boss' food shortage claim SKEWERED – 'Project Fear!'
A SKY presenter quashed fears of a no-deal food shortage this evening with one simple point about Brexit
But veteran Sky presenter Mark Austin shot back.
He explained: “The head of Calais port said that they will not stop or ask more of truck drivers than they are doing today.
“The other point is that your members have had months, even years to prepare foe a possible no-deal so I don’t understand quite why you should be staring at empty shelves, higher prices.
“People would say it’s Project Fear, really.”

So The food trade should have been planning to stockpile food and hold stocks for years?
Ckearly being on the TV doesn't equip presenters with the remotest understanding of how supply chains operate.
Debunked! cries the Express when in fact it is lying to the the public about the true situation as it usually does.
It knows very well what the true situation is but someone is paying it to lie about it.