Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

In the Telegraph
Here comes the "Chickening out phase" to get May's deal accepted
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If the PM is ready to fight back against Brussels then her deal could yet be fixed

Boris Johnson

Oh sure.
What happened to it making us a Vassal state Boris? rule taker instead of rule maker?

 

[anotherkiwi]

Concorde was all about two European nations working together to reach a common goal. Like the US going to the moon it wasn't important that it was a commercial success or not. It was a proof of concept that European countries could work together on large projects and is probably a major inspiration that paved the way for Airbus. It is a shame the English have lost that collaborative spirit...

 

[oyster]

I have to agree with the repellent nature of the party. Selective quote of one paragraph:

I believe in Tory values, but the party is becoming repellent

Matthew d'Ancona

The whole point of Conservatism is not to submit to the siren call of teleology: the belief that history has an implacable direction. In a crisis of this nature, the proper role of Tories should be to cut through the infantile rhetoric, robotic platitudes and Vogon insistence that “resistance is useless!”, and show true statesmanship. Instead, we see – with some outstanding exceptions – a party cravenly fetishising the 2016 referendum as if no further expression of popular opinion on Brexit were possible; behaving as if the only thing that matters is to get out of the EU by 29 March, regardless of the overwhelming empirical evidence that there is no viable deal, and that a no-deal exit would be a total catastrophe (necessitating, among many other unpleasant measures, a framework for martial law).

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/27/tory-values-conservative-party-repellent-brexit

 

[Wicky]

See 20 years of FAKE NEWS about EU by UK press. Vote for your ‘favourite’ here:

Forget about Russian meddling or US companies pushing fake and ‘dark’ news on the internet to influence the Brexit vote.

Fake news to influence the UK public to vote for Brexit has mostly come from our very own so-called professional journalists right here in the UK.

Here’s a list of fake news by the UK press over the last 20 years. Every single story here has been debunked as fake news.

It’s hard to pick just one but my personal favourites are ‘Euronotes cause impotence‘ by the Daily Mail and ‘EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts‘ from the always entertaining Daily Express.

Read through the list and vote for your own ‘favourite’ in the comments section below – the most popular will win a ‘prize’for ‘Most Ridiculous EU Fake News’.

Enjoy (or maybe despair):

 

[Woosh]

I believe in Tory values, but the party is becoming repellent

totally agreed.
all we hear is coming from the nasty mouthpieces who think they are at war with the rest of the country.

 

[oldgroaner]

I found this remarkable picture

Hardly an empty seat to be seen.

Let us hope they all show as much dedication, turn up and do more than just sit around on Tuesday

We all deserve that at least.

 

[oldgroaner]

Just wondering, not actually saying I'm for for or against this notion, but lets think about it.
As the will of the people of Northern Ireland should be given proper consideration, why not have a referendum in the province to see if they would accept the backstop?
They are the ones it affects the most after all.

 

[oldgroaner]

The Sun has reached new depths

By Trevor Kavanagh
THE Queen was perhaps a bit starry-eyed about Remainers and Brexiteers “coming together and seeking common ground”.


I will try, but it is hard to see eye to eye with those who regard the 17.4million who voted Out in 2016 as pig- ignorant racists.

But it will be cult-like Remainers who find it hardest to kiss and make up.

Their hatred of Leavers has reached sectarian proportions.

And here is a new and original shill

Astonishingly a poll found many would ban marriage outside the EU faith.

This link by the way doesn't lead to such a poll, just more of the same pro Brexit rubbish.

There is surely enough evidenc there to prosecute this so called newspaper for inciting public unrest.
Once again we have Gove's shill that remainers look down on leave voters, but now this fool has expanded that deliberate lie to them regarding the opposition "as pig- ignorant racists."
And this too
"Their hatred of Leavers has reached sectarian proportions. "
So on the one hand the paper lauds the Queen calling for common ground and promptly declares it regards that as impossible and makes inflammatory statements.

 

[oyster]

Just wondering, not actually saying I'm for for or against this notion, but lets think about it.
As the will of the people of Northern Ireland should be given proper consideration, why not have a referendum in the province to see if they would accept the backstop?
They are the ones it affects the most after all.

How about one in Wales? After all, no-one had promised loss of 2.4 billion (or whatever the figure).

 

[Fingers]

such beautiful children

 

[Fingers]

totally agreed.
all we hear is coming from the nasty mouthpieces who think that are at war with the rest of the country.

The Tories have always been the nasty party.

Their 'austerity' cut backs are stealing a generations hopes of a fair crack of the whip. Not to mention the violence on the streets thanks to their policy of decimating the police force. Hundreds of thousand NHS posts not filled. This has nothing to do with Brexit. It started 4 years before Brexit was even voted on. Today they announced they have a shortfall of 15% of teachers.

Vile. Look at this idiot going crazy because of a 70p increase an hour to the minimum wage in wait for it.....5 years. This video is 4 years old. The 70p increase comes in next year......

The clip I wanted to find of this was him cheering about the disabled benefits being cut. It's there I watched it live. Can't find it on you tube atm. This is bad enought hough.

Scum.

 

[Woosh]

Just wondering, not actually saying I'm for for or against this notion, but lets think about it.
As the will of the people of Northern Ireland should be given proper consideration, why not have a referendum in the province to see if they would accept the backstop?
They are the ones it affects the most after all.

and stir up even more trouble?
one is bad enough!

 

[Danidl]

Just wondering, not actually saying I'm for for or against this notion, but lets think about it.
As the will of the people of Northern Ireland should be given proper consideration, why not have a referendum in the province to see if they would accept the backstop?
They are the ones it affects the most after all.

Due to an unfortunate string of events,the people of NI have been denied representation for the last two years. They have been under adminstration. Had there been an assembly in operation, perhaps we might know, because then the DUP would have been challenged to defend and argue the stance they have taken.
The decision making process is complicated by the intense desire by a substantial minority to retain the link with UK, irrespective of any economic considerations and compounded by a( probably) smaller group who want a united political union of Ireland. These are coexisting with all manner of political and economic opinions as are common now in mainland UK.
There is only one thing which unites them all... A firm desire to have no hard border, between the counties of Down, Armagh, Fermanagh, Tyrone,Derry and the South. Everyone, North and South likes the current border arrangement we currently enjoy.
The genuine fear of one of these groups is that if a customs border were set up in Cairnryan.. Scotland, the logical place, it would be a psychological blow to their avowed Britishness.
The major danger of a plebiscite in NI on a backstop is that it would be seen, not for what it is, but a proxy for the United Ireland poll. and play into the SF narrative. The proper place for that debate is in a NI Assembly.

 

[Fingers]

Neale Richmond is back on BBC News. He's clearly been told to calm it down bless him.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

The Tories have always been the nasty party.

Their 'austerity' cut backs are stealing a generations hopes of a fair crack of the whip. Not to mention the violence on the streets thanks to their policy of decimating the police force. Hundreds of thousand NHS posts not filled. This has nothing to do with Brexit. It started 4 years before Brexit was even voted on. Today they announced they have a shortfall of 15% of teachers.

Vile. Look at this idiot going crazy because of a 70p increase an hour to the minimum wage in wait for it.....5 years. This video is 4 years old. The 70p increase comes in next year......

The clip I wanted to find of this was him cheering about the disabled benefits being cut. It's there I watched it live. Can't find it on you tube atm. This is bad enought hough.

Scum.

I agree. But yet you voted for brexit? How does that work? You must know better than me that it was propelled by a conservative/neocon drive to escape eu legislation protecting workers, consumers?

 

[Fingers]

I agree. But yet you voted for brexit? How does that work? You must know better than me that it was propelled by a conservative/neocon drive to escape eu legislation protecting workers, consumers?

No it wasn't Tom.

It was propelled because Nick Clegg is a spineless opportunist, Cameron was an arrogant Eton Bullingdon boy, Gideon was despised and the British were not happy with the federal direction of the EU.

That's a broad stroke but it is nearer the mark than some Socialist Worker Party conspiracy cooked up on a Saturday afternoon whilst packing up the trestle tables and unsold newspapers.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

No it wasn't Tom.

It was propelled because Nick Clegg is a spineless opportunist, Cameron was an arrogant Eton Bullingdon boy, Gideon was despised and the British were not happy with the federal direction of the EU.

That's a broad stroke but it is nearer the mark than some Socialist Worker Party conspiracy cooked up on a Saturday afternoon whilst packing up the trestle tables and unsold newspapers.

Momentarily forgot about your paranoid illness. However(just in case this penetrates through those obsessive fantasies): I would suggest that the history of brexit goes well beyond Cameron and clegg

 

[Fingers]

Momentarily forgot about your paranoid illness. However(just in case this penetrates through those obsessive fantasies): I would suggest that the history of brexit goes well beyond Cameron and clegg

It goes back to the last referendum but the cause of this one was as I said.

Blame Clegg. Then Cameron.

 

[Woosh]

Blame Clegg. Then Cameron.

why do you want to blame Cleggy?
He's gone to work for FB.

 

[oldgroaner]

Bullingdon boy, Gideon was despised and the British were not happy with the federal direction of the EU.

Actually the Public have been conditioned to be unhappy with the federal idea, which is rather silly when we live in a federation, the "United Kingdom"

Amazing that the public could fall for the distortion and lies and vote the Conservatives into power, resulting in their being ripped off for many years by an inefficient Mafia organisation in London that has enriched it's own class at their expense .
The one success the Tory party can justifiably claim is that it has managed to obscure and lie about the fact that the only regulations that have benefited the public have been agreed in Brussels.

Almost without exception the bulk of locally formed legislation has actually been used to abuse and rob them.
Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind, that pretty soon Tory policies will be let loose without any form of restraint
Even more astonishing is the expectation that these despicable politicians intend to improve the public's lives, when even a glimpse into the past should convince anyone that even if they were capable of doing so, that would be the last thing on their minds, as they are parasites.