You said that I was on your ignoring list? Why are you responding? Stick to the thread and only contribute in a truthful manner please.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I’ve got a custom built bike frame. I can’t say it’s any better than an off the peg job. Better stop, I’m off topic.
Judging from events since the referendum, I think we're all living in a zoo.
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Just our luck to be close to the Monkey house when half a dozen broke out
I imagine your usual antics would be popular with the visitors
There's a rather sobering asessment in Blomberg from Tom Enders
"With Britain’s terms of departure as unsettled as they are, it would be irresponsible for Airbus to authorize new investment until it has clarity on the new regulatory and trading environment. That might take years. Enders’ sobering conclusion is that “in a global economy, the U.K no longer has the capability to go it alone.” The more reckless Brexiters would no doubt insist the opposite. They shouldn’t be surprised if multinational companies tell them to go right ahead and try.
And this is the response
From [B]David C Bannerman[/B] Conservative MEP
"Expect super Project Fear today from@Airbus. Here we have a German CEO putting EU interests first before his own employees. A disgrace. As with Galileo UK should make plans to take over these plants and sell into the global marketplace with our own planes
Take over these plants? why didn't you do that with the Steel and Aluminium ones then?
And then of course you have to ask why his imagination stretches to Tom Enders putting EU interests before his companies?
Why doesn't David Bannerman put the interest of the country first instead of the loony fringe element of the Tory party he belongs to?
"With Britain’s terms of departure as unsettled as they are, it would be irresponsible for Airbus to authorize new investment until it has clarity on the new regulatory and trading environment. That might take years. Enders’ sobering conclusion is that “in a global economy, the U.K no longer has the capability to go it alone.” The more reckless Brexiters would no doubt insist the opposite. They shouldn’t be surprised if multinational companies tell them to go right ahead and try.
And this is the response
From [B]David C Bannerman[/B] Conservative MEP
"Expect super Project Fear today from
Take over these plants? why didn't you do that with the Steel and Aluminium ones then?
And then of course you have to ask why his imagination stretches to Tom Enders putting EU interests before his companies?
Why doesn't David Bannerman put the interest of the country first instead of the loony fringe element of the Tory party he belongs to?
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talking about troubles in our streets if brexit is delayed or cancelled, some suggested that we'll have our own yellow vests.
Well, yesterday 4,000 yellow vests marched in Paris, today 10,000 'foulards rouges' marched against them.
This is Paris of today, much has changed since I left.
i agree, but i'm also tired of the attempts at intimidation by those with a 4% mandate who threaten to destroy democracy and our lives if we don't given them a WTO brexit. facism wont happen for now (it isnt quite germany in '39 yet), but the attempts at intimidation has much in commontalking about troubles in our streets if brexit is delayed or cancelled, some suggested that we'll have our own yellow vests.
Well, yesterday 4,000 yellow vests marched in Paris, today 10,000 'foulards rouges' marched against them.
This is Paris of today, much has changed since I left.
What a joke, we've long lost any competence to design airliners. From the Brabazon that couldn't get a load of passengers off the ground, to the Comet that crashed many times including four total losses, to the VC10 that was far too expensive to operate and the Britannia that arrived already decades out of date, we at last realised the truth and gave up.
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Can brexit go WTO?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/27/uk-cannot-simply-trade-on-wto-terms-after-no-deal-brexit-say-experts
it can take up to 7 years to setup legislation for UK internal market if we trade under WTO.
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The government cannot simply cut and paste the 120,000 EU statutes into UK law and then make changes to them gradually, Howard added. “The UK will need to set up new enforcement bodies and transfer new powers to regulators to create our own domestic regimes.
“Basic maths shows that we will run out of time but any gap in our system will create uncertainty or conflict,” said Howard. “Some of these regimes carry penalties such as fines – even criminal offences in some sectors.”
Unless there is an extension to article 50, both these hurdles will need to be crossed by 29 March. This, said Howard, is an impossible task. “Passing the domestic legislation alone could take over seven years,” she said.
As does the propaganda in the right wing press, duplicating the techniques employed in Germany in the 1930's
Don't forget the BAC-111 - which was pretty successful in its own way. And Concorde.
I can just see us turning out wing after wing after wing...
Fuselage? Ah! Where can we get some of them from?
And is he really expected to put the interests of their UK workforce ahead of, umm, the EU and the workforce there?
Concorde was French, based on their supersonic Super Caravelle design, and adopted as the joint supersonic transport against the competing British 6 engined design.Don't forget the BAC-111 - which was pretty successful in its own way. And Concorde.
For some strange reason the British always seem to think Concorde was our design.
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https://www.theguardian.com/science/political-science/2017/jul/21/concorde-was-the-flying-brexit-a-different-era-but-the-same-mistakes
Concorde was the flying Brexit: a different era but the same mistakes
Nationalistic fantasies about future export strengths, an ill-informed public debate and political deceit all masked the economic disaster that was Concorde
Little snippets from the past make it look very like the Brexit decision
"After Harold Wilson came to power in 1964, the Anglo-French supersonic airliner only survived because the government was concerned that unilaterally cancelling the project would lead the French to sue them for more than it would cost to continue to develop the machine.
Even when the unprofitable nature of Concorde was in plain sight, the public discourse around the aeroplane continued to celebrate its commercial viability. As secretary of state for industry, Tony Benn revealed to parliament in 1974 that Britain would not recover any of the £600m that the government spent on Concorde. Putting sixteen Concordes into production would also cost another £200m, at the very least. Due to their high running costs, Concordes could not be sold for more than a fifth of the price of manufacturing, so the cost could never be recouped. But, still, newspapers continued to talk of Concorde’s profitability. When the government announced its decision to go ahead with sixteen Concordes, the press and politicians were jubilant. But the celebration was delusional. Only the captive national airlines of Britain and France ever operated Concorde. It was to be described by economits as among the three worst decisions in civil investment in the history of humanity.
Much of the Brexit project is a Concorde: bold projections of a future defined by great British export strength built on shaky presumptions and perhaps even knowing deceit. The aeroplane is a reminder of how nationalistic fantasies, an ill-informed public debate and a lack of government transparency can mask a coming economic disaster."
Concorde was the flying Brexit: a different era but the same mistakes
Nationalistic fantasies about future export strengths, an ill-informed public debate and political deceit all masked the economic disaster that was Concorde
Little snippets from the past make it look very like the Brexit decision
"After Harold Wilson came to power in 1964, the Anglo-French supersonic airliner only survived because the government was concerned that unilaterally cancelling the project would lead the French to sue them for more than it would cost to continue to develop the machine.
Even when the unprofitable nature of Concorde was in plain sight, the public discourse around the aeroplane continued to celebrate its commercial viability. As secretary of state for industry, Tony Benn revealed to parliament in 1974 that Britain would not recover any of the £600m that the government spent on Concorde. Putting sixteen Concordes into production would also cost another £200m, at the very least. Due to their high running costs, Concordes could not be sold for more than a fifth of the price of manufacturing, so the cost could never be recouped. But, still, newspapers continued to talk of Concorde’s profitability. When the government announced its decision to go ahead with sixteen Concordes, the press and politicians were jubilant. But the celebration was delusional. Only the captive national airlines of Britain and France ever operated Concorde. It was to be described by economits as among the three worst decisions in civil investment in the history of humanity.
Much of the Brexit project is a Concorde: bold projections of a future defined by great British export strength built on shaky presumptions and perhaps even knowing deceit. The aeroplane is a reminder of how nationalistic fantasies, an ill-informed public debate and a lack of government transparency can mask a coming economic disaster."
Good news! a Brexit Bonus! You are going to slim!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-21/u-k-hit-by-shrinkflation-as-brexit-eats-into-chocolate-portions?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=brexit&cmpid==socialflow-facebook-brexit&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic
Now Chocolate Bars Are Shrinking Because of Brexit
Shrinking chocolate bars and loaves of bread are leaving U.K. consumers dealing with stealth price rises, according to the Office of National Statistics.
Between September 2015 and June 2017, 206 products in the U.K. shrank in size and 79 increased, according to ONS research published Monday. Prices tended to remain unchanged as the sizes changed, “consistent with the idea that some products are undergoing “shrinkflation,” the ONS said.
Isn't that cute? Inflation isn't rising because they simply sell you less for the same price!
Any Capitalist will regard that as a brilliant concept, and who can blame them?
After all "The people" knew what they were voting for.
They just didn't know there would be less of it, but that's just being picky
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-21/u-k-hit-by-shrinkflation-as-brexit-eats-into-chocolate-portions?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=brexit&cmpid==socialflow-facebook-brexit&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic
Now Chocolate Bars Are Shrinking Because of Brexit
Shrinking chocolate bars and loaves of bread are leaving U.K. consumers dealing with stealth price rises, according to the Office of National Statistics.
Between September 2015 and June 2017, 206 products in the U.K. shrank in size and 79 increased, according to ONS research published Monday. Prices tended to remain unchanged as the sizes changed, “consistent with the idea that some products are undergoing “shrinkflation,” the ONS said.
Isn't that cute? Inflation isn't rising because they simply sell you less for the same price!
Any Capitalist will regard that as a brilliant concept, and who can blame them?
After all "The people" knew what they were voting for.
They just didn't know there would be less of it, but that's just being picky
The really clever bit about Concorde is its ability to “supercruise” that is to sustain supersonic flight for an extended period. Up until that time supersonic flight was done with brute force and only really achievable in short bursts.
Supercruise was archived by a very clever aerodynamic design of the engine systems and that work was done in its entirety at a Rolls Royce experimental site at Hucknall in Nottinghamshire. Without supercruise ability, Concorde wouldn’t have worked as a viable passenger carrier. By comparison the remainder of the airframe was not that difficult. Supersonic airframes had been achieved, supercruise power systems had not, the U.K. developed that key aspect.
Sorry to spoil your evenings Jonathan & OG, I know how much you hate anything which is remotely successful about your country.
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