Brexit, for once some facts.

[Kudoscycles]

Im going to watch it on catchup. Too busy last night. I saw QT last week and thought new host Fiona Bruce did a good job and shows some promise.

I didnt like Fiona Bruce for the first couple of QT,she seemed determined to talk over the guests,but last night she seemed to settle down and managed unlike Dimbleby to stop one guest dominating.
The audience had a lot of stereotype Leavers from Winchester,of the 'we voted leave now get on with it'....most were retired .....I doubt they would be so single minded about leaving if their jobs were threatened.
KudosDave

 

[Fingers]

Moggs logic is that when it rains you can shelter under a tree and move on the the next tree when you start getting wet.
What could possibles go wrong?

Eh?

 

[tommie]

What could possibles go wrong?

Dunno, you tell me,

What could possibles go wrong?

Spelling perhaps !!

 

[50Hertz]

I didnt like Fiona Bruce for the first couple of QT,she seemed determined to talk over the guests,but last night she seemed to settle down and managed unlike Dimbleby to stop one guest dominating.
The audience had a lot of stereotype Leavers from Winchester,of the 'we voted leave now get on with it'....most were retired .....I doubt they would be so single minded about leaving if their jobs were threatened.
KudosDave

It’s the job situation that has swung it for me from Leave to Remain. I am retired, so not directly affected, but someone needs to have a job to fund the pensions! The thought of people’s livelihoods disappearing and the consequences of that for them and their families is quite sobering.

I know what you mean regarding Fiona Bruce, but she is new to that programme. From what I’ve seen, I think she will settle into it well and become a very good host.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Would staying in the single market and customs union and keep the police access to the Shengen data be acceptable to Leave voters? Does it honour the so called 'will of the people'.
KudosDave

 

[OxygenJames]

even for you that is a pretty dumb answer, up there among the worst

I've said time and time again there will be blood on the streets if the view of 17.4 million people is ignored. That's not a threat - its a prediction. So the Mail is not so far off the truth.

When the government decides to have a vote and let US decide what to do - and we then have a vote - AND DECIDE - then they better bloody well follow through.

Why is that so difficult for you to understand - it's really not very complicated.

 

[OxygenJames]

Would staying in the single market and customs union and keep the police access to the Shengen data be acceptable to Leave voters? Does it honour the so called 'will of the people'.
KudosDave

Not even close.

 

[OxygenJames]

It’s the job situation that has swung it for me from Leave to Remain. I am retired, so not directly affected, but someone needs to have a job to fund the pensions! The thought of people’s livelihoods disappearing and the consequences of that for them and their families is quite sobering.

I know what you mean regarding Fiona Bruce, but she is new to that programme. From what I’ve seen, I think she will settle into it well and become a very good host.

Your mind is easily changed.

 

[oldgroaner]

Dunno, you tell me,

What could possibles go wrong?

Spelling perhaps !!

Humour isn't part of being a Bowler hat wearer then? do stop being silly Tommie, even you must be aware of the Merekat ads in that gloomy little Northern ireland of yours

 

[OxygenJames]

did you watch BBCQT last night? John Healey for Labour had a bit of difficulty explaining Labour's position on brexit.

No surprises there.

 

[flecc]

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The government said that, but it seems parliament has different ideas. Ultimately parliament is sovereign.
.

 

[Woosh]

Why is that so difficult for you to understand - it's really not very complicated.

it's indeed not complicated, so you have no objection to ask the people again to confirm that they want to pay the EU £39 billions to get out? After all, it's only money! £39 billions against getting back control, it should be clear cut.

 

[50Hertz]

Would staying in the single market and customs union and keep the police access to the Shengen data be acceptable to Leave voters? Does it honour the so called 'will of the people'.
KudosDave

It might, but if we do that, we may as well stay in the EU, withdraw A50 and retain full membership and have influence over issues which will affect us in the future.

I think it has to be In or Out, half measures such as TM’s deal gives us lots of disadvantages combined with lots more disadvantages.

 

[OxygenJames]

The government said that, but it seems parliament has different ideas. Ultimately parliament is sovereign.
.

We're going to find out who really is 'sovereign' if that simple promise is not kept.

 

[OxygenJames]

it's indeed not complicated, so you have no objection to ask the people again to confirm that they want to pay the EU £39 billions to get out? After all, it's only money! £39 billions against getting back control, it should be clear cut.

You just don't get it do you.

Maybe you're just too clever.

Sometimes clever people have trouble with simple things.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

It’s the job situation that has swung it for me from Leave to Remain. I am retired, so not directly affected, but someone needs to have a job to fund the pensions! The thought of people’s livelihoods disappearing and the consequences of that for them and their families is quite sobering.

I know what you mean regarding Fiona Bruce, but she is new to that programme. From what I’ve seen, I think she will settle into it well and become a very good host.

Its great that you've had a change of heart. but unfortunately I think that - peoples livelihoods disappearing - is exactly what needs to happen. otherwise there will be forever a lingering ambivalent 17 million of us who think we should really be re-establishing the effing empire.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

You just don't get it do you.

Maybe you're just too clever.

Sometimes clever people have trouble with simple things.

and sometimes simple people have trouble with clever things.

 

[Woosh]

You just don't get it do you.

Maybe you're just too clever.

Sometimes clever people have trouble with simple things.

I have no problem with leaving, just wish that the hard brexiters shut up a little and leave at minimum cost to ordinary folk who do not get involved with the economy at large.

 

[OxygenJames]

even for you that is a pretty dumb answer, up there among the worst

Ted Robert Gurr, author of “Why Men Rebel”:

“people rebel not so much when they are materially deprived or when they are repressed but when a significant gap materialises between the future they have been promised and expect and the reality of their actual circumstance”.

Thought that somewhat apropos.

The people were promised Brexit. We all knew that that meant. Out of the single market - out of the customs union, out of the ECJ - no free movement. THAT was the deal.

 

[OxygenJames]

and sometimes simple people have trouble with clever things.

This is not complicated.