Brexit, for once some facts.
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when the next GE arrives, he should remember that 62% voted for no change.
the same way MPs in Westminster have to justify their take on brexit when they vote against their constituency. Belfast North narrowly voted for remain but a no deal brexit will lead to job losses. Mr Dodds's last majority may not be so safe.
Woosh, the statement that most of NI trade is with UK,is one of those semi truths.. not a lie,and not the full story either.it is a statistic which conceals as much as it reveals. Since NI is part of the UK internal trade qualifies under that umbrella. What you mean is that Mainland UK is the single largest market for NI exports. But RoI and Rest of World trade from NI are greater than that to mainland UK . In addition a substantial fraction of that trade to mainland UK is carried out by hauling freight from NI factories, via the ports of Dublin and Rosslare,for landing in Wales.
That also ignores the amount of bidirectional traffic of semi finished goods travelling in both directions across the border for finishing.
Again Mr Dodds needs to start talking to his own constituents
that's the relative scale of brexit pain for NI, from least: customs union,hard border with Ireland, in the backstop. Customs union is unlikely with a conservative government, so the backstop is the most likely outcome for any negotiated deal by a conservative government.
For no pain, he must have wished for brexit to be removed by someone else.
I can absolutely guarantee you Brexit will not be an issue in the next GE in North Belfast.
Your comments are what i would expect from someone living on the south coast of england, ie clueless on politics here.
Hey Dan, have you been using Diane Abbotts abacus ?? !!
Latest figures just released by Northern Ireland Statistics & Research Agency (NISRA) for 2017 sales.
Latest figures just released by Northern Ireland Statistics & Research Agency (NISRA) for 2017 sales.
No typo!!. 2016 statistics were NI to RoI 30% , NI to rest of world (inc. mainland UK) 47%. NI to EU 23%
53 is bigger than 47 .
..Irish times june 21 2018 .... based on NI figures. .There is a nice graphic as well...
"2016, 30 per cent of Northern Ireland’s exports – £2 billion (€2.3 billion) – were sent to the Republic; a much greater percentage than the goods going the other way. Just 1 per cent of the Republic’s exports, worth £1 billion, went to Northern Ireland.
However, England, Scotland and Wales remains Northern Ireland’s single largest primary market for external sales, even though the Republic is its largest export market.
Northern Ireland exported almost twice as much to the Republic as it imported, with businesses making 758,000 cross-Border deliveries southwards in 2016, compared with 410,000 deliveries from the Republic."
You should really have stopped reading at that point!
Everyone knows our trade with the ROI is insignificant compared with GB - end of.
Not even open to discussion as the phantom `Irish sea Border` has now evaporated.
Having looked at the NIRSA website, there does appear to be a large discrepancy, so to correct everything the figures appear to be.
Total sales activity 76
Sales attributed to GB( UK excluding NI) 14
Sales or exports to RoI 4
Sales or exports to rest of EU 2.6
Sales or exports to rest of World. 4.8
All figures for 2016, and in Billions .
These figures are for exports. ..Of course NI cannot export to GB ,being part of the same entity but the concept of flow out still stands.
And the GB figure of 14.1 is much bigger than the combined others at 11.4
When corrected for nett flows , (Exports less Imports ) , the discrepancies are much less. Eg the RoI figure drops to 3 billion ,etc...
One of the statistics on that table is striking and that is the 44 million cross border transitions in any year over tge 15 currently approved routes.
Total sales activity 76
Sales attributed to GB( UK excluding NI) 14
Sales or exports to RoI 4
Sales or exports to rest of EU 2.6
Sales or exports to rest of World. 4.8
All figures for 2016, and in Billions .
These figures are for exports. ..Of course NI cannot export to GB ,being part of the same entity but the concept of flow out still stands.
And the GB figure of 14.1 is much bigger than the combined others at 11.4
When corrected for nett flows , (Exports less Imports ) , the discrepancies are much less. Eg the RoI figure drops to 3 billion ,etc...
One of the statistics on that table is striking and that is the 44 million cross border transitions in any year over tge 15 currently approved routes.
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But they've been paid protection money already haven't they? this could ruin their credibility as a reliable "Rent a Majority" organisation.
After all look at the opportunities for handouts if Corbyn gets in with a coalition government, why they could up their charges to £2million a seat!
From the Express
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BREXIT BREAKTHROUGH? Rees-Mogg and Farage rally as Barnier suggests backstop alternative
BREXITEERS have been buoyed by suggestions from Brussels negotiator Michel Barnier that an alternative to the Irish backstop would have to be found in event of a no-deal Brex
The notion is that Dublin will find a way to do checks without an actual border
Watch Mr's Mays deal get voted in now as I predicted.
Suddenly no one will remember things like "Being a rule taker rather than a rule maker" or "Being a Vassal State"
That was so very "Yesterday" now here is a way out on the basis anything is better than Corbyn
And the nation is doomed to years of further incompetent and damaging Tory misrule.
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BREXIT BREAKTHROUGH? Rees-Mogg and Farage rally as Barnier suggests backstop alternative
BREXITEERS have been buoyed by suggestions from Brussels negotiator Michel Barnier that an alternative to the Irish backstop would have to be found in event of a no-deal Brex
The notion is that Dublin will find a way to do checks without an actual border
Watch Mr's Mays deal get voted in now as I predicted.
Suddenly no one will remember things like "Being a rule taker rather than a rule maker" or "Being a Vassal State"
That was so very "Yesterday" now here is a way out on the basis anything is better than Corbyn
And the nation is doomed to years of further incompetent and damaging Tory misrule.
Hammond:
He said a promise had been made to voters in 2016 that they were choosing a more prosperous future: “Not leaving would be a betrayal, but leaving without a deal would also be a betrayal.”
My head is spinning trying to reconcile what looks to me like a reduction in prosperity from ANY brexit being the fulfilment of the promise of a more prosperous future. I suppose at least it is another statement which suggests no-deal is not a choosable option.
He said a promise had been made to voters in 2016 that they were choosing a more prosperous future: “Not leaving would be a betrayal, but leaving without a deal would also be a betrayal.”
My head is spinning trying to reconcile what looks to me like a reduction in prosperity from ANY brexit being the fulfilment of the promise of a more prosperous future. I suppose at least it is another statement which suggests no-deal is not a choosable option.
That is ony a minor lie compared to the Betrayal of "respecting" an illegally rigged referendum result, and a neat way of perpetuating tory rule without risking an election or legal action against individuals involved in the Referendum Fraud, which can then be conveniently swept under the carpet.
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that why I like JC's current strategy.
A fresh general election will do this country a lot of good.