my guess 450/200
it's easy to think that the wall is cheap to build or the EU is going to pay for it.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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it's easy to think that the wall is cheap to build or the EU is going to pay for it.
There is an unwritten assumption that there is an army of 16.5 million people who are so incensed that they will rampage all around them. You must know that a fraction no-one knows how many who ticked a box mindlessly and otherwise would just wish the whole damn thing would disappear, . Equally there would have been virtually an equal number who ticked the other box equally as mindlessly.
Some would snipe but I think enough would accept a further Leave vote, I would.
Away from those active on the fringe as here, the bulk of the public are rather fed up with the whole issue and interviews show how ambivalent most of them are now. They just want an end to it, whatever that might be.
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I'd have given an agree to all that except the last bit. If the Tory party splits into two, Corbyn and Labour will win easily.
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If we could be guaranteed a re-admittance on current terms, you might at least have an argument.
The idea that we might have to go through two years of whatever happens followed by "Shall we rejoin?" fill me with horror and despair.
We should negotiate the rejoining terms within the transition period.
We should also ask the EU for a status of associate member after the transition period, should we want to remain close to the EU.
That will address the accountability/rule maker deficit of the current deal.
according to Robert Peston the labour party is in danger of splitting as well
Unless something happens in the 46 workng days ,there is no transition period. The CURRENT legal position, as defined by UK Parliament is that UK leaves fully on 30th. March. Today there is no plan B.
You lot got smashed.
70% of Conservative constituencies and 60% of Labour constituencies voted to Leave in the EU referendum.
These estimates show that while the national result of the referendum was relatively close, with 52% voting Leave and 48% voting Remain, a much larger majority of parliamentary seats voted to Leave – with 64% of seats in Great Britain voting Leave.
utterly smashed. Accept it.
https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/
Yes I agree, but far from as as close as the Tories are to that.
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Irrelevant.
On the basis of your block vote submission it was a draw, two countries voting to Remain, two countries to Leave.
Since very marginal Leaver Wales quickly changed its mind, that would be three to Remain, one to Leave if the vote was taken again.
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No need to panic.
We can always ratify the withdrawal treaty a few weeks late.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless it fits your narrow narrative its a) wrong b )trolls! c) conspiracy d) irrelevant e) lies
Have I missed anything?
Aliens?
I thought the narrow narrative was yours with your desperate attempt to make a bigger Leave margin.
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There is no news there. For what it is worth, Simon is very sound and Shane Ross is a waste of space.. certainly a waste of ministerial space. He is a consequence of having a minority government and actually not in any party.
The Queen can break the impasse.
She can summon TheresaMay to the palace and remind her that she granted her the right to form a government on the basis that she had a majority with DUP support, and now that support has been removed and majority lost.
The Queen lost the right to dissolve parliament with the five year term parliament act, but retains the sovereign right to prorogue parliament and could do so.
That prorogue suspends parliament and prevents any MP from entering the Palace of Westminster. Since the parliamentary majority, including May, will not accept No Deal, her only way out of crashing out with no deal then will be to call an immediate general election with an article 50 delay to allow it. The Queen will support that of course to return to parliamentary democracy and the EU is already known to be favourable to the delay if that course is adopted.
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She can summon TheresaMay to the palace and remind her that she granted her the right to form a government on the basis that she had a majority with DUP support, and now that support has been removed and majority lost.
The Queen lost the right to dissolve parliament with the five year term parliament act, but retains the sovereign right to prorogue parliament and could do so.
That prorogue suspends parliament and prevents any MP from entering the Palace of Westminster. Since the parliamentary majority, including May, will not accept No Deal, her only way out of crashing out with no deal then will be to call an immediate general election with an article 50 delay to allow it. The Queen will support that of course to return to parliamentary democracy and the EU is already known to be favourable to the delay if that course is adopted.
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Yes the morons in the EU have got the Irish gov into a bit of a bind...
"Mr Coveny’s comments came after Irish Transport Minister Shane Ross told journalists that he expects border checks in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
An independent member of the Irish Parliament, he had been asked about a situation where a lorry carrying food produce from Scotland arrived at the Irish border.
Speaking during a briefing on the country’s contingency planning, he said: “I would anticipate that there would be checks.”
...all of a sudden we’ll be the government that reintroduced a physical border on the island of Ireland.
Simon Coveney, Irish Deputy Prime Minister
Senior Irish politicians have said whatever the circumstances, the border would not be hardened.Simon Coveney, Irish Deputy Prime Minister
“Well no,” said Irish Deputy Prime Minister Simon Coveney, intervening after Mr Ross answered, saying that the border would be dealt with through the divorce deal.
Mr Coveney said that the Government had “deliberately not” gone into contingency plans for dealing with the Border in a no-deal scenario because the UK had not voted on the plan.
“If Britain leaves without a deal well, then we obviously have to difficult discussions with the European Commission and with the UK in terms of how we protect the EU single market,” he said.
However, during a subsequent private conversation with Mr Ross, Mr Coveney confirmed that a form of checks will be introduced in a no-deal “but we can’t get into where they’ll be at this stage”.
The admission came after Mr Ross bungled a question from the Irish Independent on whether in a no-deal scenario a truck coming from Scotland to Northern Ireland and then on to the Republic without any checks.
Mr Coveney and Mr Ross were talking privately at the end of the press briefing without realising the microphone was still on: