Brexit, for once some facts.

[anotherkiwi]

Let's face it, nobody can see into the future, so whatever happens is unknowable to all of us, we are all just speculating as to what we think may happen. Why don't we all just wait and see.

- we can see the future
- we know what happened in the past
- we can draw conclusions based on experience and facts

So prevision more than speculation and no need to wait and see who will suffer the most - the poor.

 

[Fingers]

- we can see the future
- we know what happened in the past
- we can draw conclusions based on experience and facts

So prevision more than speculation and no need to wait and see who will suffer the most - the poor.

The poor always suffer more than the rest.

Brexit may change that. The status quo doesn't.

 

[anotherkiwi]

My worry is the degree of suffering. The EU offered directives protecting low paid workers - OK they may not have been written into UK law but who's fault is that?

 

[flecc]

The EU favours the mobile workers, the sharky employers, the big companies, the big governments etc

While the UK just favours the wealthy establishment.
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[flecc]

Perhaps the most portentous thing about the pre No Deal multiple lorry test was that all the lorries were empty.
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[flecc]

Let's face it, nobody can see into the future, so whatever happens is unknowable to all of us

Come now Tony, the government are involved.

It's bound to be worse!
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[vidtek]

Come now Tony, the government are involved.

It's bound to be worse!
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Whatever happens, the civil service will get their inflated pensions......

 

[OxygenJames]

Brexit has degenerated into a "Damage limitation" excercise to placate a section of the public that voted in ignorance of the consequences.
What happened to the high hopes of change for the better the Brexit Voters were expecting?
Can anyone answer that?

Still so negative!

We're still hopeful.

The fat lady has yet to sing.

 

[OxygenJames]

Sorry, it wasn't directed at you personally and i didn't say anyone had insulted me personally, i am on about the insults thrown about generally on this thread. How many of those insults would be said face to face? It seems there is enough intelligent comments on here, without having to use insults.

Oldgraoner suggested/implied I was a parasite.

I kind of assumed that was an insult.

But - who cares eh? Sticks and stones may break my bones and all that.

People need to stop being so thin-skinned if you ask me.

 

[flecc]

The fat lady has yet to sing.

It's the skinny lady in charge who's the problem.
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[OxygenJames]

I still have high hopes of a change for the better, you may call it ignorance, i don't.

I'm with you boy about town. In actuality (actual living standards) - this is the best time historically to ever have lived. Who has the eyes to see though?

 

[OxygenJames]

Perhaps you can explain on what basis?
What improvements are you expecting, and who and what will cause them to happen?
That's the problem, we would all like to see "improvements" but there needs to be a lot more than merely hoping something good will come out of Brexit considering the high risks involved.
You haven't even said what these "improvements" are going to be.
Its not very convincing, is it?
When the referendum took place people voted in ignorance of the consequences.
Since then most promises made have proved false and incompetence revealed, so to still support Brexit, I don't call that ignorance either
I call it unjustifiable optimism, with no evidence to support it

On the basis of not listening to negative old groaners like you!

Brexit or no Brexit this is a great time to be alive.

 

[OxygenJames]

It's the skinny lady in charge who's the problem.
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You make a good point.

 

[OxygenJames]

There is just far too much animosity regarding brexit, and it seems to have infected this thread too which is a pity; although we may disagree on brexit, we come here to help each other and receive advice.
I personally voted to leave, but I respect the other side's opinions and would not dream of deriding their beliefs.
Let's face it, nobody can see into the future, so whatever happens is unknowable to all of us, we are all just speculating as to what we think may happen. Why don't we all just wait and see.

Jolly well said.

 

[OxygenJames]

My worry is the degree of suffering. The EU offered directives protecting low paid workers - OK they may not have been written into UK law but who's fault is that?

Your worry IS your suffering!

Too early?

OK. Too early.

 

[OxygenJames]

- we can see the future
- we know what happened in the past
- we can draw conclusions based on experience and facts

So prevision more than speculation and no need to wait and see who will suffer the most - the poor.

With an attitude like that you should make a killing on the stock market.

But meanwhile - on planet earth......

 

[OxygenJames]

The poor always suffer more than the rest.

Brexit may change that. The status quo doesn't.

Absolutely. What has dragged millions of those in China (and India and Asia) out of poverty (particularly over the last 30 years) is not restricted 'clubs' like the EU - but opening up markets.

Allowing people to trade with each other without imposing tariffs - this is the answer.

 

[OxygenJames]

Then you find the place needs rewiring and there's a damp patch when it rains. Probably in the one room that had recently been decorated.

Misery loves company.

 

[OxygenJames]

Assuming the availability of coffee of course, or milk, or whatever else you put in it.

Gotta be negative. You are SO in love with being negative!

 

[flecc]

I'm with you boy about town. In actuality (actual living standards) - this is the best time historically to ever have lived. Who has the eyes to see though?

Fully agreed and very true for me too, but it's after 46 years of being in the EU, so I fear that could change and on all indications that's likely.

But it's not only about the economy and living standards, it's having only UK government control that I fear the most. Such things as our governments fighting to protect our injustices in actions in EU courts cases. Such things as refusing to implement the working time directive, meaning our workers can be forced to work 48 hour weeks instead of the 35 hour EU ones. Such as the desire to get rid of the excellent Human Rights Act to replace it with a bill of reduced rights. Such as the 35 pence a day junk food children's school meals, 2 to 4 euros in many EU countries.

Just look at the way we had to be shamed into increasing state pensions by a three or four to one disparity with our EU neighbours, yet they are still noticeably lower.

Those are my greatest fears, being at the not so tender mercies of our wealth protecting UK governments.
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