Brexit, for once some facts.

Zlatan

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Oh yes you did, why would I make that up? would you like me to pull up your posts to prove it?
By the way how do you work out that reminding you of things you have actually claimed is insulting, and why deny it now? is there something wrong with being a maths teacher?
No nothing at all. I worked in FE colleges, Universities and for 15 years in prisons. Thought you,d worked all that out. Not that it has anything at all to do with thread or validity of my posts. I, ve never said I was a maths teacher because I never have been. End of.
 
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Good post Danidl. I, m just coming up to 3000 miles on Haibike. Reckon that would have been 800 at most on ordinary. Wife has same bike as you. Its better than my haibike on road.
Other benefit is we now go out together, both work hard but stay together. Impossible on none electric.
We hired 2 emtb on holiday in Italy with a guide. Went up Monte Baldo. Guide in eco, me in normal, wife in high. Stayed together all day. One of best days out ever. All tired at end..
A few weeks ago I had a day out with a bloke who competes in DH mtb racing. (he, s had a 4th in Europe) He, s good at pedalling uphill too. I had Haibike in high, he had his in eco. Stayed with him for 3 hours... I learnt loads. He now trains on ebikes... To get more saddle time...???!!!


Wow. I’ve just done a very quick and in my three years of having one, and I’ve been ultra conservative, I reckon I’m up to 3744 miles. I’ve calculated that as 208 journeys a year at an average of 6 miles a day. It’s more but for fairness I’ve factored in some days I do have to get public transport in.

That’s amazed me.

What’s more using the same maths and keeping to £6 fare on average, it’s actually nearer to £8.80 but, I’ve saved £3744 at the every least.

I do love ebikes.
 
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Danidl

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Good post Danidl. I, m just coming up to 3000 miles on Haibike. Reckon that would have been 800 at most on ordinary. Wife has same bike as you. Its better than my haibike on road.
Other benefit is we now go out together, both work hard but stay together. Impossible on none electric.
We hired 2 emtb on holiday in Italy with a guide. Went up Monte Baldo. Guide in eco, me in normal, wife in high. Stayed together all day. One of best days out ever. All tired at end..
A few weeks ago I had a day out with a bloke who competes in DH mtb racing. (he, s had a 4th in Europe) He, s good at pedalling uphill too. I had Haibike in high, he had his in eco. Stayed with him for 3 hours... I learnt loads. He now trains on ebikes... To get more saddle time...???!!!
Thanks!.
 
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Wow. I’ve just done a very quick and in my three years of having one, and I’ve been ultra conservative, I reckon I’m up to 3744 miles.
I've never commuted on any sort of bicycle, but that's coincidentally almost identical to what I did during testing a new type of battery for an e-bike maker. But as you'll see from the extract of my 1st July 2008 report below, in just six months:

"the battery was never rested throughout the six months.
The total distance ridden was 3784 miles (5558 km) with 226 charges, similar to a years usage by a five day a week commuter doing over 15 miles a day. "

It was actually unbelievably boring since it was testing on throttle mostly without any pedalling to give the battery a rough time in the hilly North Downs.
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Another one with scant understanding of how the world actually works.
Brexit ferry firm Seaborne in terms and conditions gaffe

A firm awarded a government contract to provide extra ferry services has used website terms and conditions apparently intended for a takeaway food firm.

Seaborne Freight was given the £13.8m contract to run a freight service between Ramsgate and Ostend in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Its original terms and conditions advised customers to check goods before "agreeing to pay for any meal/order".

The government said the section was "put up in error" and was now correct.
 
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W /hr.. Watts per hour. Its used to classify how much work you can do
watt hours NOT W /hr

Watts per hour could be the rate at which the your body increases its output. A rather different concept that makes no sense in the context you used it.
 
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Fingers

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Of course the average can be raised. But that DOES NOT make all schools exceed the average except as I described earlier - sloppy thinking and sloppier words.

I expect you’ve made @Zlatan feel bloody rotten now.

I hope you’re proud of yourself.
 
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As the UK prepares to leave the European Union, the British government have been issuing advice on what is set to happen. Like or not, diehard Remoaners need to start accepting reality.

The government have confirmed that from 30th March, new passports printed won’t include the words “European Union” on the front cover. This is a hugely symbolic move, with Nigel Farage having highlighted the issue of the UK passport effectively becoming an EU passport during the Brexit referendum. Taking back control of borders means ending this.

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The Republic of Ireland would ask for hundreds of millions of Euros from the European Union in the event of a No Deal Brexit.

Highlighting once again how costly a No Deal could be to Brussels, the Irish Independent today report on ’emergency EU aid’ that will be sought if the UK walks away from negotiations.

Agriculture Minister Michael Creed made clear that it wouldn’t be cheap: “You’re looking at hundreds of millions here. Between the beef industry and the fishing industry we’re talking mega money.”


He added that: “There is a high level of awareness of Ireland’s unique exposure to the UK food market. But I think nobody wants to talk about it right now because there is still a hope and expectation that a level of sanity will prevail.”

These comments come after the EU’s Budget Commission, Gunther Oettinger, spoke of a hefty financial cost to Brussels if the UK walked away without handing over the £39 billion Brexit bill. Under that scenario “next year a middling-three-figure million amount will be added to Germany”.

The British government preparing the country to walk away is the right thing to do. No Deal would mean an immediate saving of £39 billion and Dominic Raab has previously set out how the UK can mitigate short-term disruption by diverting supply routes and cutting taxes on business.
 
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Danidl

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As the UK prepares to leave the European Union, the British government have been issuing advice on what is set to happen. Like or not, diehard Remoaners need to start accepting reality.

The government have confirmed that from 30th March, new passports printed won’t include the words “European Union” on the front cover. This is a hugely symbolic move, with Nigel Farage having highlighted the issue of the UK passport effectively becoming an EU passport during the Brexit referendum. Taking back control of borders means ending this.

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The Republic of Ireland would ask for hundreds of millions of Euros from the European Union in the event of a No Deal Brexit.

Highlighting once again how costly a No Deal could be to Brussels, the Irish Independent today report on ’emergency EU aid’ that will be sought if the UK walks away from negotiations.

Agriculture Minister Michael Creed made clear that it wouldn’t be cheap: “You’re looking at hundreds of millions here. Between the beef industry and the fishing industry we’re talking mega money.”


He added that: “There is a high level of awareness of Ireland’s unique exposure to the UK food market. But I think nobody wants to talk about it right now because there is still a hope and expectation that a level of sanity will prevail.”

These comments come after the EU’s Budget Commission, Gunther Oettinger, spoke of a hefty financial cost to Brussels if the UK walked away without handing over the £39 billion Brexit bill. Under that scenario “next year a middling-three-figure million amount will be added to Germany”.

The British government preparing the country to walk away is the right thing to do. No Deal would mean an immediate saving of £39 billion and Dominic Raab has previously set out how the UK can mitigate short-term disruption by diverting supply routes and cutting taxes on business.
Which part of the above is surprising?. That the mere removal of a few words from a passport is earth shaking?. Or that there would be solidarity within the EU when one member is likely to suffer financially from an action by a third party?.
Ireland needed the backstop to apply to the island of ireland.the UK decided to extend it to cover the entire UK,in order to placate 10 NI MPs. The UK HoC might baulk at that. So who is responsible?.
 
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OxygenJames

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They don't make any points at all, just come on and clown around to disrupt the thread
Er.... No. We 'come around' to disrupt your cosy echo-chamber. Which if I say so myself I think we do quite well.

I remember a few months back this was wall-to-wall Brexit is the worst thing since England's 2-3 loss to W. Germany after being 2-0 up at half time back at the world cup some years ago (can anything really be worse than that?) - but now - now a few people with some balls - because that is really the requirement for a good Brexit - balls - well with just a few good people like that this thread is almost enjoyable now.
 
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OxygenJames

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Thank you for proving my point, your only purpose is to be a nuisance
This is how he reacts to the presentation of an actual fact.

Like I said - if he can't correct his behaviour after being given the facts with such a simple example - how can one expect him to change his behaviour when a more complex situation is presented?
 
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jonathan.agnew

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I'm not in that position but Cytronex cover that light assist market. Either with your own bike and their kit, or choose their kit fitted to one of their Cannondale range.

Their kit is 3.6 kilos all in and is primarily for hill and headwind assist from the small bottle battery and front hub motor, leaving unpowered cycling as normal as possible:

Cytronex

Scroll down to the "order a bike" link if you want to look at their range.
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N.B. This entry about e-bikes in this thread is to balance the occasions when Brexit has been mentioned in the Electric Bicycles forum. ;)
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many thanks, will have a look
 
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now a few people with some balls - because that is really the requirement for a good Brexit - balls - well with just a few good people like that this thread is almost enjoyable now.
I wouldn't cal it ' - balls -'.
 

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It is off topic, but perhaps a welcome relief. For my part, I am on my second ebike,the first served for the last 6 years of my employment,and the second is my leisure machine post retirement. So that makes me some kind of a fanboy. Why did i buy the second?. Because I could, and while i could have replaced the battery , I fancied a change. If finance was a big deal, I would have jyst repoaced the battery The replacement, a Raleigh Motus with the central drive motor rewards physical activity. The more i put in , the faster it goes, and the more frequently the scenery changes. It therefore will tend to get more used than i would otherwise . Going to the local shops a km away, or my son's house 2 km away ,is quicker than using the car. Going to the major shops at 8 km distance for a small items , is a nice jaunt, and going to coffee shops 20 km away a major event. ..a three hour Interlude.
I can honestly say there are 2600 kms taken on that bike which would have been cycled at all .That is probably 300 hours of excercise.
The only point we might disagree on is whether 2000 quid buys a mediocre bike. It does not. My Motus is a very good quality on road tourer. Yes for more money one can buy a slightly less massive frame, or alternatively i could forego that eclair
Thanks, i'll have a look at a Raleigh motus (I'm sure it is good quality, but once one has acclimatised to something expensive but really wonderful like a rohloff its hard to go back to say a shimano nexus)
the welcome relief bit makes sense. my fantasy is that some other contributors are retired or live quiet lives lacking adequate stimulation and need a space to vent. happily my daytime job gives me enough stress. aside from this (or renaming the thread Brexit, lets for once have a dig at each other) im sure any of the sane contributors must realise that a more rational discussion would shed more light? But I guess that wouldn't provide a catharsis
 
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Thanks, i'll have a look at a Raleigh motus (I'm sure it is good quality, but once one has acclimatised to something expensive but really wonderful like a rohloff its hard to go back to say a shimano nexus)
the welcome relief bit makes sense. my fantasy is that some other contributors are retired or live quiet lives lacking adequate stimulation and need a space to vent. happily my daytime job gives me enough stress. aside from this (or renaming the thread Brexit, lets for once have a dig at each other) im sure any of the sane contributors must realise that a more rational discussion would shed more light? But I guess that wouldn't provide a catharsis
The problem is that the division on here is so deep
It's a clash between people who believe in facts and those intent on following a fetish, where facts have no validity.
Basically if you believe in Brexit, reality has nothing to do with your viewpoint, and all you can do is to try to derail any attempt at rational discussion of the all too obvious problems Brexit is causing.
How can there be a rational discussion with contributors whose only purpose is to make a nuisance of themselves and not advance the cause they allegedly support?
 

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The problem is that the division on here is so deep
It's a clash between people who believe in facts and those intent on following a fetish, where facts have no validity.
Basically if you believe in Brexit, reality has nothing to do with your viewpoint, and all you can do is to try to derail any attempt at rational discussion of the all too obvious problems Brexit is causing.
How can there be a rational discussion with contributors whose only purpose is to make a nuisance of themselves and not advance the cause they allegedly support?
There is a degree of trolling, and some of it is a deliberate attempt to sabotage the thread. But not all of it, there is also in between more nuanced conversation.were all minnows propelled by events. We argue as if it effect the outcome of anything,when it doesn't. I suspect brexiters denial will only wear off after a post hard brexit crash or second referendum, so don't take the fethisism too personally
 
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The Gove speaks
"Michael Gove (May 2016): "If we vote Leave, then we're in a position to dictate the terms in Britain's economic interests."

And speaks again now
“It’s a grim but inescapable fact that in the event of a no-deal Brexit… tariffs on beef and sheep meat would be above 40%” Environment Secretary Michael Gove warns of problems for farmers in the event of no-deal, and urges MPs to back the Prime Minister’s Brexit deal.

Somewhere the notion that we will be able to "Dictate the terms in Britain's economic interests" seems to have become inconvenient and forgotten.

Now we are collectively begging for whatever deal the EU is prepared to give.
 

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