Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

My pardon Danidl, I, d assumed assembly was suspended and not disbanded. Its not to be reinstated??

It's suspended after a very long absence, but it's been inactive so many times it's beginning to look unfit for purpose. An EU member, but a very large number of EU measures not passed into their law during the absences so in breach and technically liable to a whole range of large fines.

Nobody answered the voting question.???

Unsurprising since it isn't really a valid question. We all vote for things we don't want every time in order to support the things we do want. The only alternative is that no-one votes.

I voted Labour specifically to get rid of Gavin Barlow as our MP, objecting to the person, not the party. Thankfully so many did the same he was deposed by a 10,000 majority, transforming our previous close marginal. So my MP is Sarah Brown, neatly illustrating I'm not as sexist as you thought in the "stupid woman" discussion!

Disgustingly Barlow is still around though, Theresa May made him Downing Street Chief of Staff to reward his failure. He's the chinless wonder often seen alongside her.
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[Danidl]

Right that's it. Hull is gone...
My pardon Danidl, I, d assumed assembly was suspended and not disbanded. Its not to be reinstated??

Nobody answered the voting question.???

Well I obviously did not vote in either the ref. Or the GE ..

 

[flecc]

But I was talking economics. It's like people who think Sweden or Norway are 'socialist'.

Yes they are, you seem to be confusing socialism with communism, socialism doesn't preclude the market economy, it makes use of it to good effect.

Thus in those countries far greater than half of earned incomes from the market economy are spent not by the person but by the socialist state for the greater good.

And part of that greater good is how similar the lifestyles of bosses and workers are, their income differentials being much smaller than other western economies. Unsurprisingly both countries are in the top ten happiest in the world.

We need to learn much from them, for we are getting it seriously wrong at present with our fighting political extremes and obscene income and living standard disparities.
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[Zlatan]

Well I obviously did not vote in either the ref. Or the GE ..

There, s a shame...
Bloody Foreigners (smiley face)

 

[Danidl]

There, s a shame...
Bloody Foreigners (smiley face)

Off topic.. but did you pick up that you tube song reference?

 

[OxygenJames]

Not so, we can cast N.I. adrift any time we choose. There's a vast amount of precedent of giving up areas, transferring areas to other administrations etc. These often even ordered by those having no involvements in areas, often against the will of many of the residents. The Ukraine was created that way a hundred years ago and grown many times since. The Middle Eastern countries largely defined that way, and of course part of the Balkans very recently.
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'We can cast them adrift any time we choose'. Charming! What kind of attitude is that!? N.I is part of the UK. End of.

 

[Zlatan]

Off topic.. but did you pick up that you tube song reference?

Afraid not... But I, ll have another look..Like you said... Not gifted...(smiley face, mine don't work)
Flecc/OG
I seem to remember you two being totally against Catalans getting independence from Spain yet you suggest we can cast NI out as we wish, bearing in mind Catalans in general want to leave and (not sure about this) folk in NI don't want to leave it seems a very hypocritical stance.
Would be different if NI had voted for independence, I, d support them leaving then.

 

[flecc]

N.I is part of the UK.

For the time being, a temporary arrangement.
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[anotherkiwi]

'We can cast them adrift any time we choose'. Charming! What kind of attitude is that!? N.I is part of the UK. End of.

Since 1801, or would that be 1912?

 

[flecc]

Since 1801, or would that be 1912?

1922 in the current six counties form.
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[anotherkiwi]

1922 in the current six counties form.
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Let's not talk about 1972 then...

 

[Fingers]

For the time being, a temporary arrangement.
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You said you wanted Scotland to leave as well didn't you.

What a strange mindset you have. You'd break up a family to go and live in foster care.

 

[Zlatan]

So flecc. You voted Labour based on other issues knowing full well their manifesto was to leave? So leaving was not such an important issue for you. Had it been so you would have either not voted or voted lib dem. But I applaud your honesty. It does make it look as though leaving was not a big concern.
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How can you argue NI can simply be cast off from UK when Catalonia, by your own words, must remain part of Spain.?? Dual standards there flecc.

 

[Zlatan]

You said you wanted Scotland to leave as well didn't you.

What a strange mindset you have. You'd break up a family to go and live in foster care.

Flecc is a committed federalist. Any policy or action helping the cause, even if it entails hypocrisy.. Sorry flecc but it looks that way to me.

 

[flecc]

You said you wanted Scotland to leave as well didn't you.

What a strange mindset you have. You'd break up a family to go and live in foster care.

A family is totally different. The UK, Great Britain and Britain are shambolic setups.

Countries are made up of areas, whether they be named states, counties or any other zone name.

But Britain which was originally one country including the Principality of Wales is now said to be a country made of two countries.

Great Britain a country made up of three countries.

The United Kingdom a country made up of four countries.

All three of these, Britain, Great Britain and the UK are not countries, they are federations of countries and should be known as such.

There are four nations, their citizens having respectively the nationalities of English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish, the latter one shared with another country.

Only nations can have nationalities of course, but our foolish governments have created a British nationality for those coming here, despite Britain not being a nation so unable to have nationalities.

And just to complete the mess, there s no consistent governance. There's a parliament with a government having federal power, a parliament with only national power and two countries with assemblies having limited powers under federation. Wales deemed a separate country still has a ruling Prince from its principality days, a post that should have ceased when it was officially recognised as a country.

And all this is without even mentioning the Crown Dependencies.

The longer this shambles continues, the greater the mess it becomes as our governments try to make sense of what cannot be sensible. The outcome today is one country without any governance for much of the time, and the other three countries very unhappy with their method of governance and wanting change.

Putting this right should be a priority since we will never be settled until it is. For that reason I support those like Scotland who want to split away from the UK, and I'm also in favour of the reunification of Ireland. These automatically correct many of our structural faults.
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[anotherkiwi]

Northern Ireland voted to leave the EU. Their DUP ruling party doesn't want to, seems democracy doesn't count for much with them.
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Quick flecc an edit!

 

[flecc]

So flecc. You voted Labour based on other issues knowing full well their manifesto was to leave? So leaving was not such an important issue for you. Had it been so you would have either not voted or voted lib dem. But I applaud your honesty. It does make it look as though leaving was not a big concern.

Leaving is a very big issue for me, but at the last GE that horse had bolted thanks to the referendum. Therefore the next priorities came into place, getting rid of Barlow and nationalising the railways and water supplies. Voting LibDem would just have been tokenism at that time.

How can you argue NI can simply be cast off from UK when Catalonia, by your own words, must remain part of Spain.?? Dual standards there flecc.

No dual standards, the two are totally different.

Northern Ireland was created only a few years ago by tearing six counties away from the land it had always belonged to, against the will of nearly half the residents. I'm in favour of it returning to the millennia old status quo.

Catalan has been a part of Spain since the 15th century. I'm also in favour of the status quo there.

Entirely consistent.
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[Kudoscycles]

Yup - that's how it works. And we sell stuff we're good at doing - and leave what does not make a profit to people who CAN make a profit doing that. This is the global capitalism that has dragged us screaming and kicking to where we are now.

What you fail to mention is that there are a lot of capacity that is no longer available in the UK....drop forging used to be supplied to the world from the black country (west midlands),because of H&S it has died here,now 100% China or India....the process is useful to reduce material wastage and machining time. NC machining machines are available in 7-axis format in China,this is vital in manufacturing product that cannot be disturbed from its casting references,not available sub contract in the UK.
The chinese are crafty at business and our government is weak at controlling them,e-bay and Amazon are the perfect conduit for illegal product direct from China....Royal Mail are being scammed through the UPU and HMRC are useless at collecting VAT,but we all love them ....the £10.00 cheapie from Shenzhen direct to your home including carriage and vat is killing competing honest business in the UK....we love them because we like the cheap product,its one reason the high street is dying.
KudosDaver

 

[flecc]

Quick flecc an edit!

Absent mindedly reversed the status! I trying to make the point that the DUP and its electorate are at odds over the EU, but it wasn't important so I deleted the post.
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[Woosh]

What you fail to mention is that there are a lot of capacity that is no longer available in the UK....drop forging used to be supplied to the world from the black country (west midlands),because of H&S it has died here,now 100% China or India....the process is useful to reduce material wastage and machining time. NC machining machines are available in 7-axis format in China,this is vital in manufacturing product that cannot be disturbed from its casting references,not available sub contract in the UK.
The chinese are crafty at business and our government is weak at controlling them,e-bay and Amazon are the perfect conduit for illegal product direct from China....Royal Mail are being scammed through the UPU and HMRC are useless at collecting VAT,but we all love them ....the £10.00 cheapie from Shenzhen direct to your home including carriage and vat is killing competing honest business in the UK....we love them because we like the cheap product,its one reason the high street is dying.
KudosDaver

well said!