Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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From the Guardian
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Pro-Brexit adviser admits UK would be better off staying in EU
Shanker Singham is ‘frustrated’ by PM’s failure to pursue an independent trade policy
 
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From the Guardian
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Pro-Brexit adviser admits UK would be better off staying in EU
Shanker Singham is ‘frustrated’ by PM’s failure to pursue an independent trade policy
I didn't know who on earth he is, so here is a brief overview of the organisation which he represents, it seems.

Shanker is the Director of the International Trade and Competition Unit (ITCU) of the Institute of Economic Affairs. The ITCU is focused on providing advice to the UK government, industry and media on the Brexit negotiations, among other trade policy issues. As one of the world’s leading trade and competition lawyers, he has worked on the privatisation of the UK electricity market, the transition of the Soviet, Central and Eastern European economies and the apertura in Latin America. He has worked on the accession of Poland and Hungary to the EU, the WTO accessions of a number of countries, including China and Russia.

Shanker was educated at St. Paul’s School, London and has an M.A in Chemistry from Balliol College, Oxford University and postgraduate legal degrees in both the UK and US.


https://iea.org.uk/shanker-singham/

The IEA is the UK’s original free-market think-tank, founded in 1955. Our mission is to improve understanding of the fundamental institutions of a free society by analysing and expounding the role of markets in solving economic and social problems.

Given the current economic challenges facing Britain and the wider global environment, it is more vital than ever that we promote the intellectual case for a free economy, low taxes, freedom in education, health and welfare and lower levels of regulation. The IEA also challenges people to think about the correct role of institutions, property rights and the rule of law in creating a society that fosters innovation, entrepreneurship and the efficient use of environmental resources.

The IEA is an educational charity (No CC 235 351) and independent research institute limited by guarantee. Ideas and policies produced by the Institute are freely available from our website for any individual or organisation to adopt, but we do not “sell” policy. The Institute is entirely independent of any political party or group, and is entirely funded by voluntary donations from individuals, companies and foundations who want to support its work, plus income from book sales and conferences. It does no contract work and accepts no money from government.


https://iea.org.uk/about-us


Charities Commission list of trustees:

Trustee Other trusteeships
Sir Michael Hintze Kcsg The Hintze Family Charitable Foundation
Professor Martin Ricketts Buckingham Summer Festival
Kevin Bell None on record
Linda Whetstone British Dressage
Professor Patrick Minford Phd None on record
Robert Boyd None on record
Neil Record (Chair) Magdalen College School Oxford Limited, Oxford Festival Of The Arts
Jon Moynihan Obe Ma Msc Sm The Corporation Of The Hall Of Arts And Sciences, The Royal Albert Hall Trust
Professor Mark Pennington Phd None on record
Bruno Prior None on record
Robin Warwick Edwards None on record
 

oldgroaner

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Dave can I ask a question?

You are clearly an intelligent man. I read all of your posts unlike some others but I’ve got to ask.

Why do you sign off with your name? We can see it’s you that has posted. We know it’s you. It’s a post not a letter.

I’m not digging you out at all. But I put you above the Liar and that’s what he does. I assume with him it’s just old age and he doesn’t understand but you don’t come across as old.

I hope I haven’t offended you but I am genuinely interested why you sign off each post with your moniker.
click bait: off topic
 
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This is another triumph from Theresa May’s reign at the Home Office. It’s probably a legacy of her unrestricted Man-Child U.K. entry policy.

From the BBC:
An adult asylum seeker who posed as a 15-year-old student is being investigated by the government. The Home Office confirmed it will be looking into how the man, who could be as old as 30, was allowed to join Stoke High School in Ipswich.

No investigation is required. He was allowed to join the school because the people who’s responsibility it is to prevent this from happening are incompetent. They are dick-heads crippled by a mis-placed sense of political correctness and no amount of re-training will reverse that. The solution is to give them a FO tablet and to hire level headed people. Investigation over.

The article doesn’t say whether he successfully posed as a school girl and was able to access the girl’s PE changing rooms and showers. I guess that would involve a second, meat & two veg. type investigation and necessitate the hiring of costly consultants and “experts”.

I wonder how many times this type of incident has occurred across the country and the whistle blowers have been gagged or discredited as racists?

It doesn’t bode well for when we take full control of our borders post Brexit.
 

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You may now invest effort in thinking of a witty insult, but I am past caring, and you unfortunately are past helping.
That's OK, you can relax, where there is a need to help someone make an absolute fool of himself like fingers is clearly intent on doing, I will always volunteer my assistance.
It's a hobby of mine, like Needlework.
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This is another triumph from Theresa May’s reign at the Home Office. It’s probably a legacy of her unrestricted Man-Child U.K. entry policy.

From the BBC:
An adult asylum seeker who posed as a 15-year-old student is being investigated by the government. The Home Office confirmed it will be looking into how the man, who could be as old as 30, was allowed to join Stoke High School in Ipswich.

No investigation is required. He was allowed to join the school because the people who’s responsibility it is to prevent this from happening are incompetent. They are dick-heads crippled by a mis-placed sense of political correctness and no amount of re-training will reverse that. The solution is to give them a FO tablet and to hire level headed people. Investigation over.

The article doesn’t say whether he successfully posed as a school girl and was able to access the girl’s PE changing rooms and showers. I guess that would involve a second, meat & two veg. type investigation and necessitate the hiring of costly consultants and “experts”.

I wonder how many times this type of incident has occurred across the country and the whistle blowers have been gagged or discredited as racists?

It doesn’t bode well for when we take full control of our borders post Brexit.
Where does"Political Correctness" come into it?
This is simply a case of Natural Stupidity.
 
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Where does"Political Correctness" come into it?
This is simply a case of Natural Stupidity.
Political Correctness comes into it when people know that something is wrong, but feel unable to intervene because it involves a person from an ethnic minority background. People know that there are chinless wonders, just out of view in the shadows, watching, counting, recording and reporting. These people are itching to file a report suggesting that minorities are being unfairly or disproportionately treated. This in turn prevents wrong doing or suspicions being reported & acted upon.

We saw this mechanism in action recently when Pakistani men were freely fu€ing children, but social services, were $h!t scared to act due to the fear of the chinless wonders referred to above.

This much publicised police tactic of shunting scum moped robbers off the road makes me laugh. It’s the one that senior police managment are trying to associate themselves with. This is going to last about 5 minutes. It’s only a matter of time before young Winston Jr. gets splattered and then God help the copper behind the wheel. He’s going to feel very lonely when the senior managers disappear and the chinless wonders come out of the shadows. Diane Abbott has already removed the safety catch and is taking aim.
 
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Political Correctness comes into it when people know that something is wrong, but feel unable to intervene because it involves a person from an ethnic minority background. People know that there are chinless wonders, just out of view in the shadows, watching, counting, recording and reporting. These people are itching to file a report suggesting that minorities are being unfairly or disproportionately treated. This in turn prevents wrong doing or suspicions being reported & acted upon.

We saw this mechanism in action recently when Pakistani men were freely fu€ing children, but social services, were $h!t scared to act due to the fear of the chinless wonders referred to above.
Undoubtedly this does go on, and yet the inverse is also true, where ethnic minorities lose out, there are many glaring instances that Government officials habitually abuse human rights through the very same logical process where political dogma on deportation rules is applied without thought to avoid censure.

And with regard to the last paragraph about police tactics re moped ramming,I'm 100% in agreement with you there.
 
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Undoubtedly this does go on, and yet the inverse is also true, where ethnic minorities lose out, there are many glaring instances that Government officials habitually abuse human rights through the very same logical process where political dogma on deportation rules is applied without thought to avoid censure.

And with regard to the last paragraph about police tactics re moped ramming,I'm 100% in agreement with you there.
The key words are “without thought.” That is where most of it falls down, on both sides. People seem incapable of thought, reasoning and logic. They need a script to follow and if events stray outside of the script, they are fuc€ed. You experience it when you contact a call centre with a non-standard issue, the operator sticks rigidly to the unhelpful and irrelevant script, incapable of deviating based on changing circumstances.
 
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And btw @robdon you pathetic sheep.

Post something.


Tragic character. Hiding on an anonymous message board. What level of cuck can you be?
You really are a disgusting person, vilifying someone you've never communicated with and who you know nothing about.

Robdon is a valued member of exactly five years standing as of this month. He has posted 263 times, 8 times in this Brexit thread, the remainder helpfully on e-biking matters.

He is of course a remainer but has referred to the older major contributors in here as "the resident old codgers".

He showed his sense of humour again with probably the funniest post in this Brexit thread, here it is

I think in clicking his feelings about other's posts he shows a lot of intelligence, why spend ages bashing away at a keyboard when a simple click says what he wants to?
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oldgroaner

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I didn't know who on earth he is, so here is a brief overview of the organisation which he represents, it seems.

Shanker is the Director of the International Trade and Competition Unit (ITCU) of the Institute of Economic Affairs. The ITCU is focused on providing advice to the UK government, industry and media on the Brexit negotiations, among other trade policy issues. As one of the world’s leading trade and competition lawyers, he has worked on the privatisation of the UK electricity market, the transition of the Soviet, Central and Eastern European economies and the apertura in Latin America. He has worked on the accession of Poland and Hungary to the EU, the WTO accessions of a number of countries, including China and Russia.

Shanker was educated at St. Paul’s School, London and has an M.A in Chemistry from Balliol College, Oxford University and postgraduate legal degrees in both the UK and US.


https://iea.org.uk/shanker-singham/

The IEA is the UK’s original free-market think-tank, founded in 1955. Our mission is to improve understanding of the fundamental institutions of a free society by analysing and expounding the role of markets in solving economic and social problems.

Given the current economic challenges facing Britain and the wider global environment, it is more vital than ever that we promote the intellectual case for a free economy, low taxes, freedom in education, health and welfare and lower levels of regulation. The IEA also challenges people to think about the correct role of institutions, property rights and the rule of law in creating a society that fosters innovation, entrepreneurship and the efficient use of environmental resources.

The IEA is an educational charity (No CC 235 351) and independent research institute limited by guarantee. Ideas and policies produced by the Institute are freely available from our website for any individual or organisation to adopt, but we do not “sell” policy. The Institute is entirely independent of any political party or group, and is entirely funded by voluntary donations from individuals, companies and foundations who want to support its work, plus income from book sales and conferences. It does no contract work and accepts no money from government.


https://iea.org.uk/about-us


Charities Commission list of trustees:

Trustee Other trusteeships
Sir Michael Hintze Kcsg The Hintze Family Charitable Foundation
Professor Martin Ricketts Buckingham Summer Festival
Kevin Bell None on record
Linda Whetstone British Dressage
Professor Patrick Minford Phd None on record
Robert Boyd None on record
Neil Record (Chair) Magdalen College School Oxford Limited, Oxford Festival Of The Arts
Jon Moynihan Obe Ma Msc Sm The Corporation Of The Hall Of Arts And Sciences, The Royal Albert Hall Trust
Professor Mark Pennington Phd None on record
Bruno Prior None on record
Robin Warwick Edwards None on record
I wonder just how many of these right wing fascist organisations exist?
And why anyone would put money into so many squalid little schoolyard gangs of conspirators?

The only possible answer is as an investment by another Geographical or Corporate enemy state or indeed states intent on disrupting control of this one, and indeed the EU and USA.

We are living through the introductory stages of a Cyber war between Corporate Power and Democracy.
 
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oldgroaner

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The key words are “without thought.” That is where most of it falls down, on both sides. People seem incapable of thought, reasoning and logic. They need a script to follow and if events stray outside of the script, they are fuc€ed. You experience it when you contact a call centre with a non-standard issue, the operator sticks rigidly to the unhelpful and irrelevant script, incapable of deviating based on changing circumstances.
I would replace "without thought" with " because they are in fear"
 
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I wonder just how many of these right wing fascist organisations exist?
And why anyone would put money into so many squalid little schoolyard gangs of conspirators?

The only possible answer is as an investment by another Geographical or Corporate enemy state or indeed states intent on disrupting control of this one, and indeed the EU and USA.

We are living through the introductory stages of a Cyber war between Corporate Power and Democracy.
And why so many benefit from charitable status?

And why the Charity Commission website doesn't neatly link to the Companies House website so you can see significant people and their roles across the somewhat artificial divide between charities and companies.
 
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I wonder just how many of these right wing fascist organisations exist?
they are not particularly right wing or fascist.
The IEA and its cousin, the Adam Smith Institute are simply pro-american.
They see the EU as direct competitior to American interests.
Kate Andrews of the IEA is regularly invited by the BBC pro brexit presenters. She used to work for the Adam Smith Inst. and writes for the Telegraph and the Spectator.
 

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they are not particularly right wing or fascist.
The IEA and its cousin, the Adam Smith Institute are simply pro-american.
They see the EU as direct competitior to American interests.
Kate Andrews of the IEA is regularly invited by the BBC pro brexit presenters. She used to work for the Adam Smith Inst. and writes for the Telegraph and the Spectator.
Interesting, but I find it hard to believe. they represent corporate interests too closely

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Sorry Kudos but if you think Mays deal is the final chapter then your living in cloud cuckoo land.
I don’t think May’s deal is the final chapter. I am unsure whether she will get it through the house,Corbyn says he will vote against hit and the ERG,DUP seem to vote against it so the maths would suggest it’s not going to get through. She didn’t make any changes to appease Corbyn so I think the deal is now dead,but politics seems unpredicable at the moment,
On the recent radio show May would not be pressed on what happens if the deal is voted down,she was asked a number of times,I don’t see any way of avoiding another vote.
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Flat taxes? The poorest pay 20% of every penny as do the richest.
Voucher-based - so that some companies can sell eduction as a commercial product.
Privately provided health so companies can make a nice profit.
Freedom of trade with the world - but not, of course, with the 27.
Allow house-builders to make a fortune from the banked land. TO pay in dividends (see Persimmon).
Just what would have happened if two of the largest UK banks had been allowed to go bust?

Policy priorities
  • Low, simple, flat taxes that encourage investment and innovation, and hence economic growth.
  • A voucher-based education system that gives parents and schools complete freedom over how and where children are educated.
  • A privately-provided, publicly-funded healthcare system where patient outcomes, not NHS wages, are the focus.
  • Freedom of trade with the world, and a liberal immigration system that is designed to work for migrants and natives alike.
  • A liberalised planning system that lets many more houses be built, so everyone can afford to own their own home.
  • A simple welfare system based around a Negative Income Tax or Basic Income that tops up the wages of the poor and guarantees that work always pays.
  • Free market money and an end to bailouts of private banks, in all their forms.



    https://www.adamsmith.org/about-the-asi/
 
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Dave can I ask a question?

You are clearly an intelligent man. I read all of your posts unlike some others but I’ve got to ask.

Why do you sign off with your name? We can see it’s you that has posted. We know it’s you. It’s a post not a letter.

I’m not digging you out at all. But I put you above the Liar and that’s what he does. I assume with him it’s just old age and he doesn’t understand but you don’t come across as old.

I hope I haven’t offended you but I am genuinely interested why you sign off each post with your moniker.
I suppose it’s in a small way an advert for my bike range. I pay to be a trade contributor on this forum so I might as well take advantage of that.
I also have a personal dislike of the lack of transparency on the internet,hiding behind anonymous ‘nom de plume/avatars’ allows all sort of cowardly troll style abuse which would not happen if we all had to reveal our identities.....this would stop all the teenager internet bullying which can cause suicides.
KudosDave
 

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Interesting, but I find it hard to believe. they represent corporate interests too closely

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they get donations from corporate customers. There is a distinction between legal lobby work and illegal data mining like you have seen in prominent cases.
 

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