Brexit, for once some facts.

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This is another triumph from Theresa May’s reign at the Home Office. It’s probably a legacy of her unrestricted Man-Child U.K. entry policy.

From the BBC:
An adult asylum seeker who posed as a 15-year-old student is being investigated by the government. The Home Office confirmed it will be looking into how the man, who could be as old as 30, was allowed to join Stoke High School in Ipswich.

No investigation is required. He was allowed to join the school because the people who’s responsibility it is to prevent this from happening are incompetent. They are dick-heads crippled by a mis-placed sense of political correctness and no amount of re-training will reverse that. The solution is to give them a FO tablet and to hire level headed people. Investigation over.

The article doesn’t say whether he successfully posed as a school girl and was able to access the girl’s PE changing rooms and showers. I guess that would involve a second, meat & two veg. type investigation and necessitate the hiring of costly consultants and “experts”.

I wonder how many times this type of incident has occurred across the country and the whistle blowers have been gagged or discredited as racists?

It doesn’t bode well for when we take full control of our borders post Brexit.
At my comprehensive secondary school in the early 80s when I was in the 6th form we had a 1st Year (age 11-12) called Carlos Gentile of Italian/Mediterranean heritage who had a full dark beard and deep broken voice - looked and built like the SAS bloke Ant Middleton . School made use of his advanced puberty and won a lot of footy and rugby trophies... IIRC he also copped off with the Domestic Science teacher...
 

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they get donations from corporate customers. There is a distinction between legal lobby work and illegal data mining like you have seen in prominent cases.
That's the problem, lobby work is just another word for corrupt and undemocratic influence of government

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That's the problem, lobby work is just another word for corrupt and undemocratic influence of government
Agreed, but the problem is that it's impossible to stop. If banned it would still continue in private, so it's probably best kept out in the open where we can all witness it going on, able to comment and protest.

Evil lot that we are, we once had a lobbyist for e-biking, Lord Laird in the House of Lords who has internally lobbied government for us and spoken on our behalf. Unfortunately he was later trapped by a newspaper sting into offering to lobby for cash and promptly referred himself to the HoL standards committee who suspended him for four months.

Representing the Ulster Unionist Party, he once had been at 26 the youngest MP at Stormont. He died aged 74 on 10th July 2018.
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Police in Paris have used tear gas and water cannon to disperse protesters demonstrating for a second weekend against rising fuel prices.

Maybe life outside the EU isn’t so bad.
 
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Police in Paris have used tear gas and water cannon to disperse protesters demonstrating for a second weekend against rising fuel prices.

Maybe life outside the EU isn’t so bad.
It's when the police start using rubber bullets, at point blank range, and then live rounds that you might start revising that.
 
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That's the problem, lobby work is just another word for corrupt and undemocratic influence of government

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I have links with the professional engineering society in Ireland,and they periodically advise the Irish government. on what in our opinion is sensible policy. We publish annual position papers and ensure that the relevent Minister gets a copy.This is lobbying,but without it the Government would be making even worse decisions. I don't think that those actions are corrupt. The key point is whether these meeting are in secret or otherwise.
 
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That's the problem, lobby work is just another word for corrupt and undemocratic influence of government

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no, there is a difference. These people act within the law, spin but don't lie nor cheat.
 
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It's when the police start using rubber bullets, at point blank range, and then live rounds that you might start revising that.
Never been used in mainland U.K. as far as I can remember. Tear gas & water canons is an EU thing. Used much more frequently over the channel.
 
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Political Correctness comes into it when people know that something is wrong, but feel unable to intervene because it involves a person from an ethnic minority background. People know that there are chinless wonders, just out of view in the shadows, watching, counting, recording and reporting. These people are itching to file a report suggesting that minorities are being unfairly or disproportionately treated. This in turn prevents wrong doing or suspicions being reported & acted upon.

We saw this mechanism in action recently when Pakistani men were freely fu€ing children, but social services, were $h!t scared to act due to the fear of the chinless wonders referred to above.

This much publicised police tactic of shunting scum moped robbers off the road makes me laugh. It’s the one that senior police managment are trying to associate themselves with. This is going to last about 5 minutes. It’s only a matter of time before young Winston Jr. gets splattered and then God help the copper behind the wheel. He’s going to feel very lonely when the senior managers disappear and the chinless wonders come out of the shadows. Diane Abbott has already removed the safety catch and is taking aim.
Rather than your choice of word "Political correctness", I would suggest "moral cowardice. ".
I am however concerned about that information about police shunting motorcyclists off the road. Have these people been engaged in activities that justify such actions?. Are those police driving with due care and attention? . There is a world of difference between police in hot persuit of a person who then by their inability to control their vehicle then crashes, and police engineering crashes by colliding with them. The onus is on the police to uphold the law,and that includes the road traffic acts.
 
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I have links with the professional engineering society in Ireland,and they periodically advise the Irish government. on what in our opinion is sensible policy. We publish annual position papers and ensure that the relevent Minister gets a copy.This is lobbying,but without it the Government would be making even worse decisions. I don't think that those actions are corrupt. The key point is whether these meeting are in secret or otherwise.
No doubt there are honest groups, that submit learned advice, and the way you describe the process is a million miles away from much of what takes place where money changes hands , or sweetener deals are offered, and how can you justify Big Tory donors like the friends of Israel who also act as a lobby group?
Or their major donors financing them with Russian money? they will be lobbying for something in return

sorry I'm not buying this, if the Government needs advice it can employ consultants that IT chooses, not be advised by groups with an agenda that try to influence it using bringing any kind of blackmail and enticement their furtive imaginations can cook up
The level of influence a lobbyist has over the legislative process is often proportional to the resources—time and money—the lobbyist can spend to achieve its legislative goal. Some people think lobbyists in general have too much power.
I am definitely one of those people
the Government theoretically works for us and us alone, not any ten a penny bought and sold pressure group.

Lobbying originally was supposed to be individuals hanging around in the lobby of the house of commons to air their individual grievances as the are entitled to
Not for protection racketeers to bribe to Government for favours that are unlikely to be in the public interest
 
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Rather than your choice of word "Political correctness", I would suggest "moral cowardice. ".
I am however concerned about that information about police shunting motorcyclists off the road. Have these people been engaged in activities that justify such actions?. Are those police driving with due care and attention? . There is a world of difference between police in hot persuit of a person who then by their inability to control their vehicle then crashes, and police engineering crashes by colliding with them. The onus is on the police to uphold the law,and that includes the road traffic acts.
These moped riders have been involved in robberies, some have thrown acid on people or threatened / injured them with knives. They use mopeds to escape, deliberately discarding their helmets because the police have been abandoning pursuits in such circumstances. The risk to the riders being perceived as too high. This has to be brought under control and I fully support this new tactic.

The problem with people such as yourself is that you are full of criticism and “should’ve” (should’ve done this & should’ve done that). However when it comes to solutions, you are completely barren, preferring instead to snipe at those who actually have the balls and ability to do something, from the safety of the sideline. Perhaps you could write a report? I’m sure no one will take any notice of it.
 
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I have links with the professional engineering society in Ireland,and they periodically advise the Irish government. on what in our opinion is sensible policy. We publish annual position papers and ensure that the relevent Minister gets a copy.This is lobbying,but without it the Government would be making even worse decisions. I don't think that those actions are corrupt. The key point is whether these meeting are in secret or otherwise.
I bet that’s a riveting read. 50 words squeezed into a 10,000 page document?
 

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Wicky

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Rather than your choice of word "Political correctness", I would suggest "moral cowardice. ".
I am however concerned about that information about police shunting motorcyclists off the road. Have these people been engaged in activities that justify such actions?. Are those police driving with due care and attention? . There is a world of difference between police in hot persuit of a person who then by their inability to control their vehicle then crashes, and police engineering crashes by colliding with them. The onus is on the police to uphold the law,and that includes the road traffic acts.
The Police have been emboldened after a vigilante grandma took out a moped gang singlehandedly.... ;-)


Police are in a tricky position having been accused of not addressing the problem of moped riders using their mobility to make getaways with impunity - yes there's a risk of doing harm - a lad who nicked my bike was later ran off the road on a different bike - and got brain damaged (it could be argued his brain wasn't right in the first place) - I was visiting a friend on the broken bone wards and noticed the tea leaf on the same ward - he said with all seriousness he was "going to give up nicking bikes and instead steal & joyride cars"...
 
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Bad link, i’m Afraid.
unfortunately it's copyright protected

Basically the lobbying was by UK diplomat on behalf British American Tobacco in Panama even though the Labour Government of the time had signed up to a World Health Organisation convention which commits governments to putting public health concerns ahead of “commercial and other vested interests of the tobacco industry”.
 
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oldgroaner

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On Radio Four Earlier.

"If you haven't seen the members of the ERG and would like a physical description.
Imagine the cast of "last of the Summer Wine" doing a Halloween Special
 
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I bet that’s a riveting read. 50 words squeezed into a 10,000 page document?
Nope we gave up on rivets a long time ago... There is a restaurant moored on the Liffey which was I understand the last riveted boat made in Ireland.. 1953 i believe. Much more RIVIT these days. The kind of advice would be , might it be a good idea to replace the 170 year old cast iron water mains, leaking 20% of the water with new slimline plastic liners, inserted into them. These cast iron pipes having rusted to a scale,but still defining a tube.
Not much votes in it, not much qudos, unglamorous ,but it does need lots of tables and sheets of data showing why it might be more cost effective than building a new system.
 

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