Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

I was giving you a light hearted prod. Nothing serious, just a bit of friendly trolling.

I think we know each other by now my friend..
And you have a level of style and wit way beyond the horizon of the Pantomime Horse duo.

Reminds me of the old Dick Emery line
"You are awful
But I like you! "

 

[oldgroaner]

I'm sorry but you're wrong. Nothing has been concluded. Nothing.

A deal has been offered. It will be rejected. Then we will start again.

If not then it's cliff edge.

Spain has said they will veto the current deal. So how has it been concluded?

Sorry mate but you're wrong.

For the second time I remind you Spain doesn't have a Veto does it?

 

[flecc]

true but as long as the conservatives hold the power, the UK heads for brexit.

And probably on May's deal, perhaps with tweaks, despite all the objectors.
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[oldgroaner]

And probably on May's deal, perhaps with tweaks, despite all the objectors.
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That's how it appears to me too flecc

 

[oldgroaner]

The movers and shakers that payroll the Brexit debacle will after all achieve their major objective of protecting offshore assets and being able to dismantle and sell off the family silver like the NHS

There will be an extensive Media Cabaret and an appropriate amount of string pulling will offset the fine words when it comes to the crunch vote.

Brino it is!

 

[Fingers]

For the second time I remind you Spain doesn't have a Veto does it?

Would you like to buy some magic beans?

Best friend price to you of course.

 

[Woosh]

The movers and shakers that payroll the Brexit debacle will after all achieve their major objective of protecting offshore assets and being able to dismantle and sell off the family silver like the NHS

I think it's simpler than that.
Their main objective is deregulation like with gambling in 2012 under Labour. Also, when countries need to boost their economy, like dealing with the 2008 depression, they tend to cut taxes to stimulate investment and job creation. The payout is immediate. Just look at what Donald Trump has done in under 2 years. That is what they are hoping for if the UK opts for a hard brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

Once these preliminaries are out of the way we should be worrying that our resident loonies have to negotiate the trade deal with the EU

 

[oldgroaner]

Would you like to buy some magic beans?

Best friend price to you of course.

Is this a coded message?

 

[oyster]

I am sure that the Bill before the HoC can be amended in whatever way you wish. So if you wish to put any amendments about unicorns etc.. feel free, but do not expect that any will have any effect on the EU position. So putting in riders of withdrawal from Article 50.can only be local law. It does not mean that the eu will accede

If you want a unicorn rider, we could almost get back on-topic:

 

[oyster]

Is this a coded message?

I think it is meant to be some sort of fava.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think it's simpler than that.
Their main objective is deregulation like with gambling in 2012 under Labour. Also, when countries need to boost their economy, like dealing with the 2008 depression, they tend to cut taxes to stimulate investment and job creation. The payout is immediate. Just look at what Donald Trump has done in under 2 years. That is what they are hoping for if the UK opts for a hard brexit.

And we have seen the wondrous effects deregulation confers,haven't we?

As to what Trump has done, it depends on whether you ask him or any other human on the planet he does have a habit of claiming credit where he was a million miles away from where it was due
The Washington Post are looking forward to the end of his reign
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-two-year-presidency/2017/02/10/32c2e4ce-efd9-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html?utm_term=.b4f1536f054d
He did well in one house and disastrously in the other in the mid terms
With any luck it won't get so bad as that over here!

 

[oyster]

I realise this is a simplistic view, but how many of us have our rights and freedoms significantly reduced if we are not allowed the ability to immobilise a truck a mile away? And the persuaders are the usual suspects.

Sajid Javid abandons plans to ban .50-calibre military-grade guns

Home secretary drops support for ban on high-powered rifles after opposition from Brexit-backing Conservatives

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/23/sajid-javid-abandons-plans-to-ban-50-calibre-military-grade-guns

 

[oldgroaner]

I realise this is a simplistic view, but how many of us have our rights and freedoms significantly reduced if we are not allowed the ability to immobilise a truck a mile away? And the persuaders are the usual suspects.

Sajid Javid abandons plans to ban .50-calibre military-grade guns

Home secretary drops support for ban on high-powered rifles after opposition from Brexit-backing Conservatives

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/23/sajid-javid-abandons-plans-to-ban-50-calibre-military-grade-guns

How curious, why would any of this lot oppose such a move?
Sajid Javid has quietly abandoned plans to ban high-powered military-grade rifles after dozens of hard Brexit Conservatives and the DUP came together to voice opposition to the Home Office plan.
Sixty-nine MPs had signed an amendment demanding a reversal of the ban, including Jacob Rees-Mogg, the chairman of the hard Brexit European Research group, as well as Steve Baker, Sir Bill Cash and Nadine Dorries.

ERG members were looking for the opportunity to stage a show of strength in parliament to demonstrate they also had the numbers to block Theresa May’s final deal Brexit deal when it comes to parliament in mid-December.

Now I ask you , what kind of human Vermin will vote to prevent lethal weapons being banned to score political points?

They should never have been legal in the first place. and there is no conceivable reason for any person to own and use one is there, unless of course they are a terrorist. and want to say bring down low flying aircraft!
All of the politicians who voted for this are clearly insane

 

[oyster]

Now I ask you , what kind of human Vermin will vote to prevent lethal weapons being banned to score political points?

That sort of vermin. Plain and simple.

The only rational reason for having them is exactly what they were used for by the IRA.

Critics of the proposed ban have said that no .50 weapon has been used in a crime in the UK since the IRA disarmed.

Yes, well, no thermonuclear device has (yet?) been used in a bank robbery so we shouldn't make them illegal to be held by individuals?

You could, until recently, have said much the same about chemical weapons.

 

[Kudoscycles]

I'm sorry but you're wrong. Nothing has been concluded. Nothing.

A deal has been offered. It will be rejected. Then we will start again.

If not then it's cliff edge.

Spain has said they will veto the current deal. So how has it been concluded?

Sorry mate but you're wrong.

Spain can’t veto the withdrawal deal,it is concluded by majority. But they can be difficult over the trade deal if they are not satisfied at the withdrawal stage.
The EU will not allow tweaking of this deal it risks the 27 breaking apart,they hope we will have a second vote and remain,
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

I think it's simpler than that.
Their main objective is deregulation like with gambling in 2012 under Labour. Also, when countries need to boost their economy, like dealing with the 2008 depression, they tend to cut taxes to stimulate investment and job creation. The payout is immediate. Just look at what Donald Trump has done in under 2 years. That is what they are hoping for if the UK opts for a hard brexit.

Why can’t they cut taxes now?
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Critics of the proposed ban have said that no .50 weapon has been used in a crime in the UK since the IRA disarmed.

So what is the problem with banning them when none are being used? clearly this is a ruse to frighten TM with their voting powers and these idiots didn't give a moment's thought to the consequences of their actions

 

[oldgroaner]

Why can’t they cut taxes now?
KudosDave

That's easy the rich want them to wait till they have the opportunity to spend the money on the big Sell off of assets after Brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think it is meant to be some sort of fava.

Don't you mean Java?