Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

Esteemed Pedelecer
Sep 29, 2016
8,611
12,256
73
Ireland
Least there be any confusion regarding the NI backstop, and there was some created in the last few days... The EU will not be agreeing to any Backstop arrangement which is time limited or which can be unilaterally terminated by either side. There will be no deal, no soft BREXIt, unless the Backstop has a termination based on a functional equivalence. The time for fudging, and kicking the can down the road,and suggesting fanciful technical solutions is past .

Basically there is a fortnight left to get that right.
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
functional equivalence.
Your mission should you care to accept it,is to explain, and sell the concept of "Functional equivalence" to the Brexit Voters.

And the very best of luck!
the hypothesis that mental imagery functions in the same way as physical perception may be a little too highbrow for the audience
I should stick with something less complex perhaps along the lines
"If it looks like a Duck and Quacks like a duck" might be a good starting point,or at the very least after a bit we will forget about it and hope nobody notices?
That could work
 
Last edited:
  • :D
  • Like
Reactions: robdon and oldtom

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,379
16,876
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
The EU will not be agreeing to any Backstop arrangement which is time limited or which can be unilaterally terminated by either side. There will be no deal, no soft BREXIt, unless the Backstop has a termination based on a functional equivalence.
I wouldn't bet on this. NI is used by both sides to justify their negotiating stance until a deal is concluded.
At the end of the transition, unless the UK reverses brexit, there will be a land border between the EU and the UK in NI. It is up to each side to police their territory. Both sides can of course unilaterally decide not to implement physical checks.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: gray198 and flecc

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,379
16,876
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
which people are you referring to? the small band of conspirators who peddled this ultimate con, or the 17 plus million who fell for it at the time?
What is the will of the rest of the 66,708, 251?

We are suffering from a confidence trick sold to a small faction, not the "Will of the people"
This is the "will of parliament" that lacked the guts to be unpopular.
until there is a second referendum, the will of the people is to endorse brexit.
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,203
30,604
Nick Pettigrew, former Daily Mash writer, has described that look of Arron Banks that I couldn't precisely put my finger on but clearly I'm not the only one who thinks Banks looks decidedly 'iffy':
Agreed, as so often happens, Arron Banks character and behaviour has over time become written into his facial expressions for all to see.
.
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
until there is a second referendum, the will of the people is to endorse brexit.
Actually it is the will of parliament, the referendum was advisory only and now throughly discredited and obsolete

Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk
 
  • Like
Reactions: robdon

Wicky

Esteemed Pedelecer
Feb 12, 2014
2,823
4,011
Colchester, Essex
www.jhepburn.co.uk
And from Clacton-on-Sea's MP:

'If we stopped Brexit we would risk seeing civil unrest'

“If we stopped Brexit and there were another vote, I truly believe the result would be tiny one way or another and we would risk seeing civil unrest on our streets.

“We have got to go through with it.”


Ex-kippers stronghold now Tory - Clacton is in a perpetual state of civil revolt... So it could be that Clacton is a dystopian experiment into a 'what if' Brexit future... Money was found to build a brand spanking new no expense spared courthouse immediately adjacent to the railway station down the tracks in Colchester to shuttle naughty folk back & forth from sunny Clacton.

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/most-dangerous-places-live-clacton-524190 (July 2017 Crime Figures)

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/10593984.Rising_crime_and_social_deprivation_in_Clacton__undeniably__linked/ (2013)

Police and crime commissioner Nick Alston added: “I am concerned about what has been happening with crime in Clacton.”

“There is a toxic mix with multiple occupancy, alcohol and people choosing or being placed there, unscrupulous landlords and there are real issues.

The comments followed a report from the Centre for Social Justice which revealed a high number of people on benefits moving to Clacton was creating high levels of deprivation."
 
  • Like
Reactions: robdon

tommie

Esteemed Pedelecer
Mar 13, 2013
1,760
600
Co. Down, N. Ireland, U.K.
Least there be any confusion regarding the NI backstop, and there was some created in the last few days... The EU will not be agreeing to any Backstop arrangement which is time limited or which can be unilaterally terminated by either side. There will be no deal, no soft BREXIt, unless the Backstop has a termination based on a functional equivalence. The time for fudging, and kicking the can down the road,and suggesting fanciful technical solutions is past .

Basically there is a fortnight left to get that right.

Well then you lot down there deal with it!

You`ve chosen to be servants and lackys of the EU Mafia so you can`t now whine about a hard border - the only ones that want that are the EU,

and good luck with that..
 

Wicky

Esteemed Pedelecer
Feb 12, 2014
2,823
4,011
Colchester, Essex
www.jhepburn.co.uk
Well then you lot down there deal with it!

You`ve chosen to be servants and lackys of the EU Mafia so you can`t now whine about a hard border - the only ones that want that are the EU,

and good luck with that..
Not really EU's job to sort it out as it didn't create the political-geographic reality that's got to be contended with our imminent resignation from Europe.

A geo-engineering solution could be to immediately start digging an epic canal barrier on a scale of the Suez and Panama Canal to physically seperate Northern Ireland from Irish Republic - Stalin invoked in the 1930s a massive one in twenty months contructed entirely by manual labour as a glorified job creation scheme and also served as a mega medieval moat to keep pesky Finns at bay during WW2... Heck just look closely at a map of the islands of New Zealand & Japan to see what can be done with some imagination, time and labour....



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea–Baltic_Canal

My 21st Century Modest Proposal - Inspired by Capability Brown (and his protege Stalin) who sculptured nature to their wills. It could be an Irish Venice on a mega scale.



Sorted! We can all crack on once the shovelling is done...
 
Last edited:

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
Well then you lot down there deal with it!

You`ve chosen to be servants and lackys of the EU Mafia so you can`t now whine about a hard border - the only ones that want that are the EU,

and good luck with that..
No - the EU absolutely does NOT want a hard border. It is just the natural, logical consequence of brexit. Which was, so we are told, the choice of the UK population.
 
  • Like
Reactions: robdon

Danidl

Esteemed Pedelecer
Sep 29, 2016
8,611
12,256
73
Ireland
Well then you lot down there deal with it!

You`ve chosen to be servants and lackys of the EU Mafia so you can`t now whine about a hard border - the only ones that want that are the EU,

and good luck with that..
Tommie,Tommie, Tommie, can you not see we are in this together?. Without your milk getting pasteurised and graded down here, it will be rancid, without the ready access to UK supermarkets, our mushroom farms, have nowhere to sell their products,and there is a limit to the amount of Vol aux Vonts even I can stomach. The closure of Authentic Foods here in Dundalk ,last week,whose market was the UK supermarkets of ASDA and Iceland, is the start of a trend.
The EU do not want a hard border, the British people do not want a hard border,either in Ireland or with the EU. . The Irish people ,both North and South,and that includes you and I, do not want a hard border. At what stage does the penny drop and you realise you have been sold a pig in a poke?.
 

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
A geo-engineering solution could be to immediately start digging an epic canal barrier on a scale of the Suez and Panama Canal to physically seperate Northern Ireland from Irish Republic
The Irish have long had a fearsome reputation for their prodigious ability to dig - navigations and railways in the UK being prime examples.
 

Danidl

Esteemed Pedelecer
Sep 29, 2016
8,611
12,256
73
Ireland
Not really EU's job to sort it out as it didn't create the political-geographic reality that's got to be contended with our imminent resignation from Europe.

A geo-engineering solution could be to immediately start digging an epic canal barrier on a scale of the Suez and Panama Canal to physically seperate Northern Ireland from Irish Republic - Stalin invoked in the 1930s a massive one in twenty months contructed entirely by manual labour as a glorified job creation scheme and also served as a mega medieval moat to keep pesky Finns at bay during WW2... Heck just look at a map and look islands of New Zealand & Japan to see what can be done with some imagination, time and labour....



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea–Baltic_Canal
Well if they were that interested, they should build their tunnel from Antrim to Scotland ,and dump the spoil along the Black Pigs Dyke, .. a prehistoric moat which guarded the Ulstermen from the ire of the other four provinces of Ireland.. Historically there were five provinces ,of which Ulster was one,and Meath+Westmeath another.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
  • Informative
Reactions: robdon and oyster

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
His face reminds me,to put it crudely as wearing the sort of expression produced when the realisation dawns that that noise wasn't a Fart after all .:eek:
For the education of tommie, who doesn't understand English, the word fart appears in the Cambridge Dictionary and the definition is "to release gas from the bowels through the bottom"
It is not offfensive language even in the land of the DUP
 
  • Agree
  • Offensive Language
Reactions: robdon and tommie

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Well then you lot down there deal with it!

You`ve chosen to be servants and lackys of the EU Mafia so you can`t now whine about a hard border - the only ones that want that are the EU,

and good luck with that..
What are you on about? you are a supporter of the DUP
(specialists in extracting money under duress and you claim the EU are a Mafia?)
What a joke!
 

Advertisers