This is stated on the live feed:
In response, some Labour MPs have argued that Brexit should be suspended as a result, perhaps pending a second referendum, but this position is not backed by Labour’s front bench.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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In response, some Labour MPs have argued that Brexit should be suspended as a result, perhaps pending a second referendum, but this position is not backed by Labour’s front bench.
The letter to Damian Collins' constituents is in all its glory on leave.uk's own website - easier to read.Another rather juicy item
https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1057895968329396224
https://screenshots.firefox.com/doZ9sjXTnjfZouGY/twitter.com
Aaron Banks of course
https://leave.eu/arron-banks-letter-to-damian-collins-constituents/
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I think remainers are clutching at straws...as per...
How you can you prove someone voted leave because a non official campaign spent money that hasn’t even been proved to be illegal?
The biggest problem with this result isn’t leaving. It’s persuading the vocal minority who lost to accept this. Although I do accept the current Tory idiots are making such a cock up of the negotiations it’s easy to see their anger.
I suggest they watch They Will Never Grow Old. We are a hardy bunch when we stick together.
I also think, bigger picture, a lot, if not a majority are sick of the EU in Europe. It’s no secret Italy and Spain will never be allowed to hold a referendum. Maybe even France,
I believe the people of Europe, as in the working class will always get on. It’s when we are abused we get riled.
How you can you prove someone voted leave because a non official campaign spent money that hasn’t even been proved to be illegal?
The biggest problem with this result isn’t leaving. It’s persuading the vocal minority who lost to accept this. Although I do accept the current Tory idiots are making such a cock up of the negotiations it’s easy to see their anger.
I suggest they watch They Will Never Grow Old. We are a hardy bunch when we stick together.
I also think, bigger picture, a lot, if not a majority are sick of the EU in Europe. It’s no secret Italy and Spain will never be allowed to hold a referendum. Maybe even France,
I believe the people of Europe, as in the working class will always get on. It’s when we are abused we get riled.
the biggest problem with this result is that opinion has been changing.
If another referendum is called today, the result will be very probably to remain.
I think remainers are clutching at straws...as per...
How you can you prove someone voted leave because a non official campaign spent money that hasn’t even been proved to be illegal?
You don’t have to, breaking the law automatically disqualifies the candidate or party, and you should be asking this question
Why would undisclosed sources of finance be put into the leave campaign by extremely rich and very likely anti British donors?
Who gives away Millions of pounds to benefit the working class of this country?
The biggest problem with this result isn’t leaving. It’s persuading the vocal minority who lost to accept this. Although I do accept the current Tory idiots are making such a cock up of the negotiations it’s easy to see their anger.
First of all by now it is unlikely that only a vocal minority oppose leaving, the vote in favour was marginal and things have changed since then,Remainers expected the Government to make a balls up of the negotiations, when you employ clowns, you get slapstick, remember FOX saying “Negotiating a trade deal with the EU will be the easiest in Human History?”
The problem is in fact that there is more than enough evidence that this is a very bad idea on both economic and social grounds and cost you in so many ways , profiting you not at all, what you should be asking is “What’s in it for me?”
I suggest they watch They Will Never Grow Old. We are a hardy bunch when we stick together.
A hardy bunch of what exactly? Do you imagine you have some sort of “identity”? Are you under the illusion that Patriotism inspires your voting decision, and that being against Brexit is “unpatriotic?
Quite the contrary, for has Germany vanished by being part of the EU? Of course not, this is the sort of nonsense that the leave campaign sold to the gullible
Remainers simply see that being part of the EU is where the future lies, not in being a small offshore island down on it’s luck.
I also think, bigger picture, a lot, if not a majority are sick of the EU in Europe. It’s no secret Italy and Spain will never be allowed to hold a referendum. Maybe even France,
That is pure supposition there is plenty of evidence that this is simply propaganda you have been fed and believed, because you find it comforting
I believe the people of Europe, as in the working class will always get on. It’s when we are abused we get riled.
Two points worth mentioning here
First the people of Europe actually have a long history of being at war rather than at peace and he EU is important in order to put an end to these conflicts.
How could you possible be unaware of the History involved?
And your second point..
Abused? Can you explain that? Our Government was involved in setting up the rules and if situations were reversed and say France or Italy were leaving rather than us, we would have been demanding that the rules be adhered to, just as they are doing to us.
The only abuse involved is us trying the abuse the EU, not the other way round.
The Express are having fun
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COMEBACK CAM: Is ‘bored s***less’ David Cameron gearing up for RETURN to UK politics?
DAVID CAMERON could be vying for a return to frontline politics as a close friend of his has revealed he is “bored s***less” two years on from leaving Number 10 and resigning as an MP.
Obviously designed to inflame the Brexit faithful and it did.
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COMEBACK CAM: Is ‘bored s***less’ David Cameron gearing up for RETURN to UK politics?
DAVID CAMERON could be vying for a return to frontline politics as a close friend of his has revealed he is “bored s***less” two years on from leaving Number 10 and resigning as an MP.
Obviously designed to inflame the Brexit faithful and it did.
Arguably, the biggest problem is that what is appearing is so far from what was promised. Had what currently is (or appears to be) on the table been what was campaigned for, then the vote might have gone the other way. Especially as the serious negative impacts have started to be appreciated in a very personal way - for example, car works in several plants staring at reduced hours, those who need medical treatment concerned about delivery of the required products (medicines, nuclear sources, etc.). For goodness sake, we are even seeing questions over our ability to feed ourselves with supermarket chains paying out for increased storage facilities.
people who voted leave consider that most predictions of negative impacts don't matter, some are true, some exaggerated but they are all practical difficulties to be overcome after we leave.
remainers need to point to positives of staying, what's in it for our budget contribution, sharing our fish and acceptance of EU laws?
It does appear that many leavers are far more optimistic about the effect of leaving. But there are quite a lot who cannot believe the ineptitude of pretty much every step of the way from referendum to today. They might not have changed their minds in terms of wanting to leave but are far from convinced that the current plan is desirable/workable.
the current difficulties are due to infighting within the conservative party. Outside the PCP, the majority would support a soft brexit where the UK will keep close economic ties but regain control over EU immigration.
Those difficulties are easily overcome with a fresh GE.
As I pointed out before, and fingers confirmed just a couple of posts earlier, it really is a wasted effort trying to reach the confirmed Brexit fans, no argument no matter how clearly supported by factual conclusive evidence will convince them, it's all a matter of pride and faith, which only bitter personal experience will change.
We need to concentrate on convincing the huge number who didn't vote either way.
For general information the Conservative party has been using this lot
https://web.archive.org/web/20170228043708/https://sclgroup.cc/elections/projects/uk/
SCL Elections has worked on three UK election campaigns over the past 15 years. During the first of these elections, SCL was contracted to undertake advanced behavioural polling and Target Audience Analysis, and was subsequently credited as being the only agency to correctly predict the outcome of that General Election. For the two subsequent elections, SCL Elections provided campaign consultancy and strategic guidance for specific candidates.
They interfere as Propaganda mercenaries on a world wide basis, here is a sample testimonial from ST Vincent
"Seen by many as a test of government popularity and strength, it was crucial for the ruling party to outperform expectations at the local elections. Our input helped the party claim legitimacy for ongoing reforms through a strong showing at the local level, allowing them to win re-election at the next national election and continue with their overall programme of reform.
Let me translate these sentences for you
"advanced behavioural polling and Target Audience Analysis,"
and "Our input helped the party claim legitimacy for ongoing reforms through a strong showing at the local level,"
AKA
Brainwashing
note that words "claim legitimacy" not "prove legitimacy"
Which is exactly what the Leave campaign did with Cambridge Anaytica in the Referendum campaign, the interesting thing is that clearly these sort of Dirty tricks camaigns have a long history with the Conservatives.
Regardless of the belief of the leave voters, much time, money, effort and perverted science do sway public opinion, and they did.
Why else would those in a position to benefit from this ability spent vast fortunes on this Pseudo science otherwise?
https://web.archive.org/web/20170228043708/https://sclgroup.cc/elections/projects/uk/
SCL Elections has worked on three UK election campaigns over the past 15 years. During the first of these elections, SCL was contracted to undertake advanced behavioural polling and Target Audience Analysis, and was subsequently credited as being the only agency to correctly predict the outcome of that General Election. For the two subsequent elections, SCL Elections provided campaign consultancy and strategic guidance for specific candidates.
They interfere as Propaganda mercenaries on a world wide basis, here is a sample testimonial from ST Vincent
"Seen by many as a test of government popularity and strength, it was crucial for the ruling party to outperform expectations at the local elections. Our input helped the party claim legitimacy for ongoing reforms through a strong showing at the local level, allowing them to win re-election at the next national election and continue with their overall programme of reform.
Let me translate these sentences for you
"advanced behavioural polling and Target Audience Analysis,"
and "Our input helped the party claim legitimacy for ongoing reforms through a strong showing at the local level,"
AKA
Brainwashing
note that words "claim legitimacy" not "prove legitimacy"
Which is exactly what the Leave campaign did with Cambridge Anaytica in the Referendum campaign, the interesting thing is that clearly these sort of Dirty tricks camaigns have a long history with the Conservatives.
Regardless of the belief of the leave voters, much time, money, effort and perverted science do sway public opinion, and they did.
Why else would those in a position to benefit from this ability spent vast fortunes on this Pseudo science otherwise?
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If that. Could never change their minds and always claim it was how the deal/no-deal was handled - not the idea of leaving per se.
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majority of MPs.
You need it for any form of brexit or second referendum.
Given SF do not take their seats, a slightly smaller proportion would suffice.
What’s talked about at Taipei Cycle is that Chinese manufacturers and exporters want to try to avoid the high dumping duties on the e-bikes they export to Europe by shipping them on a completely or semi-knockdown basis. They do not seem to realize that by operating like that they are violating European regulations, which can lead to heavy fines.
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