There isn’t anything I can argue with there. This whole episode of British politics is a complete shambles.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Although jokingly, I was illustrating that only outsiders could do it, the Irish never would. Dividing that country in 1922 was madness.
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Absolutely! if there is any lesson to be learned it is that we really cannot continue as we are, a country that is run like a Betting Shop, by a Cabal that serves only itself to the detriment of the Voting public, and uses a so called "Free Press" that is anything but to bamboozle the people to keep them in power.
Worst of all this "Cabal " is utterly incompetent, prone to internal fights like starving rats in a sack,and the sum total of it's efforts can only be given the following description
"Terminal Decline"
if NI is to remain in the U single market after brexit, it can't be in the EU single market at the same time.
Beside this technical paradox, TM needs both the DUP and the ERG to get her plan through parliament.
However, the DUP and the ERG will never agree with one another because fundamentally, the DUP want to remain in the EU single market to avoid the border and the ERG absolutely oppose the EU single market.
Beside this technical paradox, TM needs both the DUP and the ERG to get her plan through parliament.
However, the DUP and the ERG will never agree with one another because fundamentally, the DUP want to remain in the EU single market to avoid the border and the ERG absolutely oppose the EU single market.
By Jove! I think I've got it.
Watch NI, W and S leave the UK. Rename England (slightly) as the English Union. They can be in the EU and out of the EU at the same time!
If ever there was a reason to want Re Nationalisation of the Railways , it has to be Hull Trains.
Currently they are all out of Service, a remarkable performance
This is the current timetable
https://www.hulltrains.co.uk/service-alterations-october/
And the reason? all of the trains have (I kid you not) Broken down, some in far away places.
If you should spot one of these missing trains please notify the authorities so that relatives of the passengers can arrange to pick them up.
Otherwise they may never see them again.
The odd thing is other railway companies run the same train types seemingly without problems.
A local Rain Union spokesman said it's a bit much when the bloody trains go on strike.
Currently they are all out of Service, a remarkable performance
This is the current timetable
https://www.hulltrains.co.uk/service-alterations-october/
And the reason? all of the trains have (I kid you not) Broken down, some in far away places.
If you should spot one of these missing trains please notify the authorities so that relatives of the passengers can arrange to pick them up.
Otherwise they may never see them again.
The odd thing is other railway companies run the same train types seemingly without problems.
A local Rain Union spokesman said it's a bit much when the bloody trains go on strike.
Plagiarist! I suggested that first with my cunning plan for duplicating all the EU trade deals!
To wit
No Captain said Baldrick this is where my cunning plan gets really clever!
We leave the ECJ and EU acquis signs on the papers, and unless they ask, we don't tell 'em that now means English Court of Justice and English Union acquis.
Clever 'innit?
#36636 oldgroaner, Saturday at 3:47 PM
Just funning,I do think your suggestion has merit!
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Usually remembered after the event took place favourably, never if it went belly up.
I couldn't agree more!
The deed was done before the Labour Party became a political force to be reckoned with and although these decisions are arrived at collectively, the guilt for the travesty must surely lie between the Liberal, David Lloyd George and the tory, Andrew Bonar Law, during whose watch as PM, partition occurred.
The formal result of the war waged against the Irish people by the British monarchy and aristocracy was that Ireland was partitioned and the Free State declared themselves independent and seceded from British control. In short, and not for the first time, Britain lost that war. Sadly, Britain/UK/England doesn't have a great track record of winning wars and this historian has recorded some you may not have heard of. His take on Britain's history of warfare somewhat resembles the England football team's world cup campaigns.
battles.html
Tom
I understand that a man & woman have married today. The groom is a “brand ambassador for tequila” and a “socialite”. The bride is a princess drawing benefits from the public purse.
Tequila Brand Ambassador!!! WTF! How do you become a booze ambassador Are they recruited from the local pi$$ heads down the pub? Even I couldn’t make this crap up, and I have a weird imagination.
Tequila Brand Ambassador!!! WTF! How do you become a booze ambassador
Are they recruited from the local pi$$ heads down the pub? Even I couldn’t make this crap up, and I have a weird imagination.
Does Theresa May need the ERG to get the parliament vote....they are less than 80 votes,maybe only 40.
KudosDave
Getting onto the really serious issues now!
From rail safety to Spotify access: the key no-deal Brexit notices
We look at the areas likely to be most affected by fallout from Britain crashing out of the EU
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/12/rail-safety-spotify-access-key-no-deal-brexit-notices-analysis
From rail safety to Spotify access: the key no-deal Brexit notices
We look at the areas likely to be most affected by fallout from Britain crashing out of the EU
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/12/rail-safety-spotify-access-key-no-deal-brexit-notices-analysis
Simon Coventry ,Irish PM says that he will veto any trade deal that has a time limit on the backstop deal. The ERG including Leavstrom and Gove have said that they will vote down any deal that does not have a time limit.
How do you square that?
KudosDave
How do you square that?
KudosDave
if the DUP can derail TM's brexit, the ERG can do the same.
with colleagues like them...
I fully agree and concur with your last sentence, however all the preceding ones are what in this country we might call "ramais" .. loosely translated as balderdash. .
If we succeed in getting to a stage where there is no hard border,it will be because people like M. Barnier have saved the British from themselves.
I am coming to the view that the best way forward is for Ms Foster to put her foot down, precipitate a general election both in NI and Westminster. Her choice if words Blood Red Line was not accidental.
Brexit is a turkey, but ...
Brexit blamed for price rise for Christmas turkeys
Fall in pound and uncertainty has led to farmers paying more to attract or retain EU workers
Brexit blamed for price rise for Christmas turkeys
Fall in pound and uncertainty has led to farmers paying more to attract or retain EU workers
Comedy In the Telegraph
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Brexit transition period could be extended by another year, costing UK billions in extra payments to EU
Tory Eurosceptics reacted with fury, saying the move would add up to £17 billion to the Brexit bill and could also cost the Conservatives the next election because none of the benefits of leaving the EU would have been felt by the time of the poll in 2022.
That's interesting: I wonder how many people still believe there will be any benefits? (apart from people with offshore Tax havens?)
Time the strength of these "Eurosceptics" was put to the test
This from the Guardian is what they are really concerned about when they speak of "Benefits"
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The UK will officially leave the EU next March, but while negotiations on the final deal are ongoing, there will be a transition period until the end of December 2020. During this time, Britain has promised to abide by all existing and new European laws.
The fifth anti-money laundering directive contains the following measures:
There is as usual a way round this if the Eurosceptics can win their way
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The directive applies only to member states, rather than their satellites. UK affiliated offshore financial centres will be left to decide whether to adopt some or all of the measures. The overseas territories, which include the British Virgin Islands and Bermuda, and the crown dependencies of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man still allow companies and trusts registered on their shores to operate in comparative secrecy.
In the case of a no-deal Brexit, it is unclear whether the government would still implement new EU laws, such as the fifth anti-money laundering directive. However, the UK is likely to stick closely to EU policy on anti-money laundering if it wants continued access to European markets.
No wonder Jackass and co want a no deal Brexit! this could seriously cost them, to find a new untaxable home for their money!
You can be sure that the midnight oil is being burned by an army of lobbyists and dodgy accountants on that right now that makes the DEXEU effort look tame.
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Brexit transition period could be extended by another year, costing UK billions in extra payments to EU
Tory Eurosceptics reacted with fury, saying the move would add up to £17 billion to the Brexit bill and could also cost the Conservatives the next election because none of the benefits of leaving the EU would have been felt by the time of the poll in 2022.
That's interesting: I wonder how many people still believe there will be any benefits? (apart from people with offshore Tax havens?)
Time the strength of these "Eurosceptics" was put to the test
This from the Guardian is what they are really concerned about when they speak of "Benefits"
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The UK will officially leave the EU next March, but while negotiations on the final deal are ongoing, there will be a transition period until the end of December 2020. During this time, Britain has promised to abide by all existing and new European laws.
The fifth anti-money laundering directive contains the following measures:
- Public registers of company owners in every member state.
- Access to the names of the beneficiaries of trusts for law enforcement agencies and those with a “legitimate interest”, including investigative journalists and NGOs.
- A cross-border database of company and trust owners, overseen by the European commission.
- Automatic access to the names of bank account holders for national financial intelligence units.
There is as usual a way round this if the Eurosceptics can win their way
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The directive applies only to member states, rather than their satellites. UK affiliated offshore financial centres will be left to decide whether to adopt some or all of the measures. The overseas territories, which include the British Virgin Islands and Bermuda, and the crown dependencies of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man still allow companies and trusts registered on their shores to operate in comparative secrecy.
In the case of a no-deal Brexit, it is unclear whether the government would still implement new EU laws, such as the fifth anti-money laundering directive. However, the UK is likely to stick closely to EU policy on anti-money laundering if it wants continued access to European markets.
No wonder Jackass and co want a no deal Brexit! this could seriously cost them, to find a new untaxable home for their money!
You can be sure that the midnight oil is being burned by an army of lobbyists and dodgy accountants on that right now that makes the DEXEU effort look tame.
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Fair enough, if that’s your opinion. However, if the U.K. exit the EU without any trade deal in place and default to WTO rules, who is going to establish the hard Irish border? My opinion is that it won’t ever happen under any circumstances, so it pointless the EU arguing about it and making it an issue.