Brexit, for once some facts.

Zlatan

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of course the majority of MPs will accept the deal which is to pay the EU roughly £15 billion a year to stay in without a say for two years, then the balance spread out over a few more years.
It's not much more than now, a kind of short term tenancy agreement.
Not many MPs will want to be recorded in Hansard that they were responsible for the chaos if they vote for no deal.
How is that different under Corbyn?
 

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How is that different under Corbyn?
I reckon JC will go through with the transition period, he has two years to test his economic ideas (BTW, not that far from the Libdems') while negotiating with the EU for frictionless access to the SM for goods. The EU will say no because that will weaken their SM rules. JC will then be forced to choose one of the formulas: Canada or EEA. Neither is as good as rejoining. He'll call a second referendum.
As he prefers the fence to hard decisions, the UK will enjoy relative stability during his reign.
 

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Good news folks in the Guardian
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UK appoints food supplies minister amid fears of no-deal Brexit
MP David Rutley, an ex-Asda and PepsiCo executive, will oversee protection of supplies

Must look in the loft for this

I know I've got it somewhere....
It isn't only the Government that can be prepared, by jove!

I have some questions, will he be paid "Theoretical money" since this is a "Theoretical Job" and does it come with a "Theoretical Golden Handshake" and a "Theoretical pension"?
It is soooo hard rating posts. Laugh? Agree? Cry?
 
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Intereresting piece in the Telegraph
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Allister HeathThe terrifying truth is that Middle England is falling for Corbynomics

That isn't terrifying, what is from the right wing point of view is the dawning realisaton that the impulse for Brexit included a real wish for major changes to the economic model employed here

Corbyn's offer, no matter how effective (or not) it proves to be, fits the mood of that section of the Brexit vote that is expecting that Brexit doesn't mean Austerity Mark 2, rather means more power to the people and warm sunny uplands with improved living standards and work for all.

Some hope!
No one can make Brexit anything other than a managed decline
and even to achieve that is looking more and more unlikely.
 
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it's just click bait.
TM's cabinets is full of completely incompetent ministers, given the job because of their part in bringing about the brexit votes, such as David Davis, Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, Chris Grayling, Pretti Patel, Esther Mc Vey, Penny Mordaunt etc. I am not saying that the rest is competent but because they don't shout, they don't get much scrutinised.
Brexit strangles the tory party slowly but surely. At least, that is what JC is hoping for.
However, few people pay attention to who own the factories or workers protection legislation. The real attraction of the tories is low direct taxation, more specifically the 40% tax rate.
If I were in JC's shoes, I'd go for their votes first, keeping top level income tax at 40% does not hurt revenue. Implement industrial strategy next, then increase corporation tax, and lastly, a wealth tax for redistribution.
 
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it's just click bait.
TM's cabinets is full of completely incompetent ministers, given the job because of their part in bringing about the brexit votes, such as David Davis, Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, Chris Grayling, Pretti Patel, Esther Mc Vey, Penny Mordaunt etc. I am not saying that the rest is competent but because they don't shout, they don't get much scrutinised.
Brexit strangles the tory party slowly but surely. At least, that is what JC is hoping for.
However, few people pay attention to who own the factories or workers protection legislation. The real attraction of the tories is low direct taxation, more specifically the 40% tax rate.
If I were in JC's shoes, I'd go for their votes first, keeping top level income tax at 40% does not hurt revenue. Implement industrial strategy next, then increase corporation tax, and lastly, a wealth tax for redistribution.
And he needs to put an end to blocks of shares being used and issued as a Tax Dodge Bonus.
What is really required is an infrastructure and industrial modernisation Ministry with the purview to investigate, plan and initiate a complete overhaul of our weakest areas of operation, going so far as to look at supply chain and resource requirements too and perhaps a supportive tax, or at the very least partial diversion of other tax revenue to fund it

We are in a situation where we need to look at the problem as if we were moving into a populated but poor area devoid of any such advantage, remarkably similar in fact to the state the country was in in 1945, at least back then we still had the advantage an industrial base we could call our own, which is no longer the case.

If we want to be independent and "Sovereign" being owned by foreign corporations is the last thing we should do.

Alas that is inevitably what will happen, isn't it?
 
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Off topic but a demonstration of the logical process being employed by people in power

"An investigation into the Ambulance service has revealed that £500 Million pounds could be saved if ambulance crews could treat patients they judge can be treated on the spot rather than take them to hospital!"

Like all barmy ideas it will fool the gullible yet fail for the following reasons

When Doctor's appointments often take considerable time, why bother when you can get treatment in a convenient ambulance there on your doorstep.

While they are wasting time on you some poor devil is breathing their last somewhere else.
Truly a case of artificial stupidity
How many lives will this cost saving endanger?

Conservative logic is to pretend to know the cost of everything and simultaneously know nothing whatever of the value of anything.
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Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx
 
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What happened to your theory that one can trust a man with a good education?
Is this Piers character proof of the pudding? :confused:
Read my post OG never mentioned trust, I was talking about ability to run country, essentially an academic task. You can trust Corbyn to get it wrong . For a start look at his appointees.
 

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Read my post OG never mentioned trust, I was talking about ability to run country, essentially an academic task. You can trust Corbyn to get it wrong . For a start look at his appointees.
Are the Tory ones any better?
 

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https://dailym.ai/2QZcYxD

She might not.be a good PM but at least she seems academically capable of understanding what's going on. Can you imagine Corbyn taking centre stage in his silly little hat and weak demeanour along with his 3E's. I don't think so.
You underestimate the man, and that is a mistake.
And there is no evidence that she is any better than he is, her past performance in all the posts she has held has been to fail comprehensively.
 
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If we want to be independent and "Sovereign" being owned by foreign corporations is the last thing we should do.
We have about 3% structural, endemic, budget deficit because of the first past the post voting system. I can't see that structural deficit disappear in my lifetime regardless of who is in power. For that, we constantly need that deficit to be filled by direct foreign investment.
Foreign investment is perceived as beneficial, a sign of Britain's success in the world, while EU directives, nevermind how benign or beneficial they are, a sign of surrendered sovereignty and 'in your face' humiliation.
You are not going to change the way people who equate patriotism with sovereignty will vote in the next referendum.
 
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We have 3% structural, endemic, budget deficit because of the first past the post voting system. I can't see that structural deficit disappear in my lifetime regardless of who is in power.
Foreign investment is perceived as beneficial, a sign of Britain's success in the world, while EU directives, nevermind how benign or beneficial they are, a sign of surrendered sovereignty and 'in your face' humiliation.
You are not going to change the way people who equates patriotism with sovereignty will vote in the next referendum.
Frankly they are not worth bothering with, there are more important things to do.
They are simply a factor to be taken into account that's all.
 
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"An investigation into the Ambulance service has revealed that £500 Million pounds could be saved if ambulance crews could treat patients they judge can be treated on the spot rather than take them to hospital!"
If it were so simple, indeed obvious, that this would make such a massive saving, just who has been in charge and NOT doing it for years?

There are potentially significant savings in all sorts of areas. My own condition illustrates this:

I need a prescription medicine every day. I get a two-month prescription. So I have to apply for six repeats a year.

I am supposed to have a blood test every year. The way they expect me to get a test is to have a GP appointment to get the form, have another (separately booked) blood draw appointment, then a second GP appointment for my prescription to be put on more-or-less-automatic approval for the next year.

I'd far rather they give me an open blood test form which I can use either when I feel wrong or after about a year. Have the blood draw and then get approved without a GP appointment if the results are as expected. And get effectively a one-year prescription against which I can draw as required.

This could possibly increase gap between blood tests to more than a year if I feel well, remove all GP appointments if I feel well, and reduce the number of repeat prescriptions issued.

(Quite honestly, I'd rather then medicine were Pharmacy rather the prescription-only and I could just go and buy when needed.)
 

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