Brexit, for once some facts.

[tillson]

Off topic but a demonstration of the logical process being employed by people in power

"An investigation into the Ambulance service has revealed that £500 Million pounds could be saved if ambulance crews could treat patients they judge can be treated on the spot rather than take them to hospital!"

Like all barmy ideas it will fool the gullible yet fail for the following reasons

When Doctor's appointments often take considerable time, why bother when you can get treatment in a convenient ambulance there on your doorstep.

While they are wasting time on you some poor devil is breathing their last somewhere else.
Truly a case of artificial stupidity
How many lives will this cost saving endanger?

Conservative logic is to pretend to know the cost of everything and simultaneously know nothing whatever of the value of anything.
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Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx

The problem experienced by the ambulance service is pretty much the same across other areas too, people abusing and using services inappropriately. The police, A&E, Doctor’s surgeries, Physiotherapy departments, Fire Services, the list goes on. My local doctor tells me they are running at 28% non-attendance for appointments and a significant percentage of those that do attend, have no need to see a doctor. Imagine the improvements in accessing a GP for everyone if the non attendance and inappropriate appointments could be eliminated. The same for ambulances, A&E, police and so on. This is not an issue that will be solved with money.

All a Labour government will do is penalise hard working people by raiding their income and savings, whilst the layabouts and filthy rich pay nothing. They will then hose the stolen money at these services creating more inefficiency and abuse.

It’s the abusers of services who need to feel the pain and I’m afraid that will be reported as an attack on the so called “under privileged”, also known as wasters. It needs someone in charge with a set of balls big enough to crush these tossers. They are ruining our services by abusing them.

 

[tillson]

You underestimate the man, and that is a mistake.
And there is no evidence that she is any better than he is, her past performance in all the posts she has held has been to fail comprehensively.

If we get Corbyn and a Labour government, all hard working people who have budgeted sensibly, lived within their means, saved for their futures and tried to improve themselves can watch out. This is exactly the sort of person despised by Labour. They see it as their duty to attack you, vilify you financially, take away the fruits of your effort in life and give it away at free money outlets, which can only be accessed by lazy toss-pots. It happens every time and next time will be no different. These idiots are not true socialists.

I loath May and the Conservatives, but if I choose to vote in a GE, I will have to vote for her party. The consequences of Labour are too awful to risk.

 

[gray198]

The problem experienced by the ambulance service is pretty much the same across other areas too, people abusing and using services inappropriately. The police, A&E, Doctor’s surgeries, Physiotherapy departments, Fire Services, the list goes on. My local doctor tells me they are running at 28% non-attendance for appointments and a significant percentage of those that do attend, have no need to see a doctor. Imagine the improvements in accessing a GP for everyone if the non attendance and inappropriate appointments could be illuminated. The same for ambulances, A&E, police and so on. This is not an issue that will be solved with money.

All a Labour government will do is penalise hard working people by raiding their income and savings, whilst the layabouts and filthy rich pay nothing. They will then hose the stolen money at these services creating more inefficiency and abuse.

It’s the abusers of services who need to feel the pain and I’m afraid that will be reported as an attack on the so called “under privileged”, also known as wasters. It needs someone in charge with a set of balls big enough to crush these tossers. They are ruining our services by abusing them.

I personally don't understand the need for appointments. They always run late anyhow. I suppose the need will differ from surgery to surgery, but in mine when you walk in there is no one there, so either they are very efficient, or very underworked. Then there will be a sign noting the numbers of DNA's. Problem as I see it is that in a lot of cases people book in when feeling ill but by the time they get to see a doctor symptoms have passed, but do not bother to ring and cancel. Would it be better to make a couple of days a week when you can just go in and wait to see a doctor. BTW my surgery is now shut on 2 afternoons a week?? Having said that I think it must be one of the better ones. The reception staff very helpful and good care from the medical side.

 

[oyster]

I missed this bit of JC's promises:

Labour conference: Corbyn Swansea tidal lagoon pledge

 

[flecc]

It needs someone in charge with a set of balls big enough to crush these tossers. They are ruining our services by abusing them.

The answer as I've posted previously is a proper triage. At present it's single sided, only assessing urgency. A full scope triage would also identify those who do not need to be at A & E and issue a substantial charge for the service, such as £50. That would deter those who turn up with a splinter, a minor cut needing a plaster or a sprain only needing to be rested

Objectors say that would put off those in genuine need, but I say that is nonsense. We all know what an accident needing outside help is and we all know when we cannot cope ourselves with a medical emergency.

And the police and fire services should also be able to apply an enforceable penalty charge against those who waste their time with spurious matters. Today's population needs enforced education into what constitutes an emergency.
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[tillson]

I personally don't understand the need for appointments. They always run late anyhow. I suppose the need will differ from surgery to surgery, but in mine when you walk in there is no one there, so either they are very efficient, or very underworked. Then there will be a sign noting the numbers of DNA's. Problem as I see it is that in a lot of cases people book in when feeling ill but by the time they get to see a doctor symptoms have passed, but do not bother to ring and cancel. Would it be better to make a couple of days a week when you can just go in and wait to see a doctor. BTW my surgery is now shut on 2 afternoons a week?? Having said that I think it must be one of the better ones. The reception staff very helpful and good care from the medical side.

It’s the no attenders who need targeting. If a pattern of failing to cancel appointments develops, they should suffer a reduced level of service. Maybe they could be made to sit in the car park all day and wait on the off-chance of a fellow waster not bothering to turn up sometime during that particular day. If that happens, they can fill that appointment, if not, come back and sit in the car park the following day, and so on. If they try the A&E route, a similar greeting could await them. It’s easy enough to ID people these days and to share data.

I once had a Doctor who used the “no appointment necessary” approach. It didn’t really work in that area. You could end up waiting for hours. I can see it working in areas that are generally more affluent and where a better quality of human being uses the service. As always, it’s the trash who spoil it for proper people.

 

[tillson]

The answer as I've posted previously is a proper triage. At present it's single sided, only assessing urgency. A full scope triage would also identify those who do not need to be at A & E and issue a substantial charge for the service, such as £50. That would deter those who turn up with a splinter, a minor cut needing a plaster or a sprain only needing to be rested

Objectors say that would put off those in genuine need, but I say that is nonsense. We all know what an accident needing outside help is and we all know when we cannot cope ourselves with a medical emergency.

And the police and fire services should also be able to apply an enforceable penalty charge against those who waste their time with spurious matters. Today's population needs enforced education into what constitutes an emergency.
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I agree with all of that. We just need someone with those big balls to bring it in and face down those who have something to gain, either politically or financially, by objecting to it.

 

[Zlatan]

If we get Corbyn and a Labour government, all hard working people who have budgeted sensibly, lived within their means, saved for their futures and tried to improve themselves can watch out. This is exactly the sort of person despised by Labour. They see it as their duty to attack you, vilify you financially, take away the fruits of your effort in life and give it away at free money outlets, which can only be accessed by lazy toss-pots. It happens every time and next time will be no different. These idiots are not true socialists.

I loath May and the Conservatives, but if I choose to vote in a GE, I will have to vote for her party. The consequences of Labour are too awful to risk.

Couldn't agree more.
Its politics of envy disguised as socialism. Just examine those rallying towards Corbyn. In my experience it's been those doing little for society but taking most but wanting more.
My neighbour drives Asda van 12 hours a week, rest of time his fat arse is on sofa watching his 65 inch screen. He claims invalidity, yet plays golf twice a week. Has 3 kids, wife doesn't work. Lives in a 4 bed detached yet he has never worked a full day in his life. ufortunately thousands like him, probably millions. He hates tories, attends Corbyn rallies. Says all the same socialist propaganda we here on here.
The country will fall flat on its face if present Labour get in.

 

[oldtom]

Karma!………plus a typo



Tom

 

[Woosh]

In my experience it's been those doing little for society but taking most but wanting more.

the following chart shows a huge increase in invalidity claimants during the Tories years 79 to 95. Since then, successive governments, both conservative and labour, managed to reduce the percentage.
Still, it's amazing that at some moment in time, 28% of 60-64 years old men claimed.
No country can sustain this level of support for invalidity.

 

[oldgroaner]

the same

Excellent!

 

[oldgroaner]

the following chart shows a huge increase in invalidity claimants during the Tories years 79 to 95. Since then, successive governments, both conservative and labour, managed to reduce the percentage.
Still, it's amazing that at some moment in time, 28% of 60-64 years old men claimed.
No country can sustain this level of support for invalidity.

And of course there was a reason this happened wasn't there?
Thatcher started a process that hasn't actually stopped
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/02/osborne-thatcher-legacy-disability-benefits
Osborne distances himself from Thatcher legacy over disability benefits
Chancellor says former Tory PM's government 'parked' unemployed people on disability benefits

Hilarious that people blame the Labour party for the wrongdoing of the Conservatives

 

[oldgroaner]

https://dailym.ai/2R1IBGT

Daily Mail agrees with you OG.Is that a first ?

Actually it was another snide attack that's all

 

[flecc]

the following chart shows a huge increase in invalidity claimants during the Tories years 79 to 95.

Putting the unemployed into invalidity benefit was openly Tory government policy in the 1980s, the DSS ordered to do it. It was to hide the true huge unemployment figure that they had created. Accordingly the areas with the highest numbers on invalidity benefit were the mining towns, due to the Tory shutdown of our mining.

This is just one of the reasons we need a balance of governance, neither Labour nor Tory continuously but sufficient alternation to control the excesses.

We need Labour in now to undo some of the harm the long periods of Tory rule has done. Returning the essentials like railways and water supply to state control as most countries do. Eliminating zero hours contracts and the like which just serve to increase the black economy which is bad for all of us. Limiting the tax avoidance by both the wealthy and large companies.

But only while they do those and similar essentials during one or at most two terms. Then the pendulum will need to swing back to keep a sane balance.

Of course ideally we'd have a permanent middle of the road government that kept everything perfect, but that's pie in the sky of course. They either lapse one way or the other or get almost everything wrong.
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[oldgroaner]

If we get Corbyn and a Labour government, all hard working people who have budgeted sensibly, lived within their means, saved for their futures and tried to improve themselves can watch out. This is exactly the sort of person despised by Labour. They see it as their duty to attack you, vilify you financially, take away the fruits of your effort in life and give it away at free money outlets, which can only be accessed by lazy toss-pots. It happens every time and next time will be no different. These idiots are not true socialists.

I loath May and the Conservatives, but if I choose to vote in a GE, I will have to vote for her party. The consequences of Labour are too awful to risk.

Then you will be voting for the party that brought in paying people not to work and moving the unemployed onto invalidity to disguise the true numbers.

This was only one method they used to massage the figures. Another was to offer claiments £10 per week extra on your Giro to join a job club for periods of maybe 10 weeks. The club itself was just bullshit read the papers have coffee, but you dissapeared from the unemployed ranks, another incentive being you didn't have to sign on for the Giro, that degrading fortnightly ritual. These are the sickening schemes that Conservatives used to deceive the public.
So Labour caused this and will make it worse will they?
A series of social security reviews conducted by the Conservative Government (1979–1997) led to the introduction of a ‘stricter benefit regime’ from the late 1980s and culminated in the introduction of Job Seekers Allowance (JSA) in 1996, a pivotal change which intensified monitoring of unemployed claimants’ job-seeking behaviour. The incoming Labour Government in 1997 adopted a ‘work first’ and ‘work for all’ approach, embracing JSA’s monitoring of claimants’ job search activities, backed up by benefit sanctions in cases of non-compliance. A range of measures were also introduced to ‘make work possible’ and ‘make work pay’, including increased financial support for childcare, as well as the introduction of the National Minimum Wage, increased levels of Child Benefit, and tax credits to assist low-income families.

So Tilson, tell me again why will Labour be bad news?
Sorry, but you are simply repeating right wing propaganda that isn't based on facts.

 

[oldgroaner]

Couldn't agree more.
Its politics of envy disguised as socialism. Just examine those rallying towards Corbyn. In my experience it's been those doing little for society but taking most but wanting more.
My neighbour drives Asda van 12 hours a week, rest of time his fat arse is on sofa watching his 65 inch screen. He claims invalidity, yet plays golf twice a week. Has 3 kids, wife doesn't work. Lives in a 4 bed detached yet he has never worked a full day in his life. ufortunately thousands like him, probably millions. He hates tories, attends Corbyn rallies. Says all the same socialist propaganda we here on here.
The country will fall flat on its face if present Labour get in.

Ask yourself which government brought in the culture of Disabilty claims for this sort of person?
Your claim "he has never worked a full day in his life" makes him a very likely candidate for the Thatcher years unemployment numbers swindle.

Have you forgotten you are passing yourself off on here as a socialist yourself?
When you come out with "Says all the same socialist propaganda we here on here."
You are blowing your cover....
And this remark "Its politics of envy disguised as socialism. " isn't one you should use, is it? it's far too close to a confession!

 

[gray198]

Corbyn has always been a third rate backbencher who has never done anything positive. Now we are supposed to see him as some sort of messiah who is going to run (sorry ruin) the country. Give us all a break. I wouldn't trust him to run a bath

 

[Wicky]

My neighbour drives Asda van 12 hours a week, rest of time his fat arse is on sofa watching his 65 inch screen. He claims invalidity, yet plays golf twice a week. Has 3 kids, wife doesn't work. Lives in a 4 bed detached yet he has never worked a full day in his life.

I suggest you move ASAP to a more upmarket classy neighbourhood more befitting your status - if you can't, and he's causing you so much grief, then think about speaking to his GP informing him that your neighbour is perfectly fit in your opinion and putting it all on. If you think he's claiming benefits fraudulently then ring up the hotline. Don't shop at Asda due to them employing such a waster and get your friends and family to boycott the supermarket. Plus pop up to his golf club and get his membership revoked due to his extreme political affiliations. While you do this repeat to yourself in affirmation: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

PS re 65" TV - How do I report someone who is watching TV without a TV Licence?

 

[oldgroaner]

I note with interest a new member has managed to disagree with my post #4
"Fatrat" and very welcome you are too, if you intend to disagree with all my comments among the other 36,116 messages after that, would you like a Christmas Card?

 

[oyster]

The answer as I've posted previously is a proper triage. At present it's single sided, only assessing urgency. A full scope triage would also identify those who do not need to be at A & E and issue a substantial charge for the service, such as £50. That would deter those who turn up with a splinter, a minor cut needing a plaster or a sprain only needing to be rested

Objectors say that would put off those in genuine need, but I say that is nonsense. We all know what an accident needing outside help is and we all know when we cannot cope ourselves with a medical emergency.

And the police and fire services should also be able to apply an enforceable penalty charge against those who waste their time with spurious matters. Today's population needs enforced education into what constitutes an emergency.
.

Last time I went to A&E was a few weeks ago - for toothache due to infection which urgently needed antibiotics. I didn't want to go but there was absolutely no other option that would end up with a medicine ready to take. I was positively TOLD to go there by the emergency dental service but still felt very wrong.

Would not have been happy to be dismissed as a misuser.

(Have to say that Withybush A&E dealt with me in an exemplary manner. Probably why the local health board is seeking to close it down...)