Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Yep, it shows.

And what exactly does it show? do explain.

 

[Zlatan]

Basically , in Principle, thinking and effective action is not limited to those with higher education and in this country the leading Universities and Private schools have turned out some of the worst tricksters and shysters imaginable, that support points of view and anti public actions that would get an approving nod from the shade of Attila the Hun.

Nor am I entirely convinced that the Job of being a politician is beyond the scope of mere mortals and in defence of that viewpoint I give you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneurin_Bevan
Who left school initially at thirteen after he did poorly at school and his academic performance was so bad, that his headmaster made him repeat a year. And then had a rather indifferent later education.

It is the spirit of the man or woman that counts in an effective politician, and their moral attitude too, something that the current crop we suffer from lack dismally.

Aneurin achieved the greatest improvement in our long a sordid history by championing the NHS without needing a fancy education to do so.

Don't knock Corbyn on his integrity, commitment and determination, his weakness is when it comes to telling the difference between tactical and strategic decisions and actions, and a somewhat parochial view of what Socialism is all about.

So you, d let Corbyn take care of your finances, investments and pension with his 3 E's. Don't think so.
Good intentions are cheap. Ability to carry them out is something else.
BTW I didn't question his social commitment.

 

[oldgroaner]

If no-deal is just being played as a card, well, the potential issues that keep rolling out, even from non-remain sources, make it utterly unbelievable. But if it is being played as a real option, it is terrifying.

No-deal Brexit 'would stop British farming exports for six months'

National Farmers Union warns of ‘catastrophic’ wait to be approved as an EU food supplier if no deal struck
The National Farmers Union has warned of “catastrophic” consequences for the industry if there is no Brexit deal, after being warned by the EU that the UK faces a six-month wait to be certified as an approved third-country supplier.


This will be a major setback to the food and drink sector, where exports to the EU are worth £13.2bn a year.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/26/no-deal-brexit-will-be-catastrophic-say-british-farmers-national-farmers-union-eu

You realise of course this comes under the classification of "Taboo News"

 

[Woosh]

Don't knock Corbyn on his integrity, commitment and determination,

His heart may be at the right place and when push comes to shove, he is capable of some steel but he's not been tested on any major decision.
His hesitation with Labour brexit strategy, the adoption of IHRA definition and recently this afternoon, trying to create a space for TM's brexit deal. He will basically stay on the fence as long as he can.
Sorry, I don't think he's good enough for the top job.

 

[flecc]

maybe that's why some of the younger voters need a dose of Labour. 3 day weeks lights out at ten and rationing. That'll teach em

What are you talking about?

The electricity rationing by 2 hour cuts turning the lights out was due to Edward Heath's Tory government. Labour winning the 1974 General Election inherited Heath's electricity shortage and the need for a factory three day week that resulted.

And it was under the current series of Tory governments that we've twice been warned by the National Grid that electricity rationing might have to come in again due to inadequate generation planning.

I think all voters have had enough of Tory recessions, 1980, 1991 and 2008 for example, each far more damaging than the 1974 Labour government's rule.
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[oldgroaner]

So you, d let Corbyn take care of your finances, investments and pension with his 3 E's. Don't think so.
Good intentions are cheap. Ability to carry them out is something else.
BTW I didn't question his social commitment.

Do you imagine TM does that now?
The Civil Service is the instrument of state involved

 

[Zlatan]

And what exactly does it show? do explain.

His poor choices both with regard his associations and his strategic planning. His manifesto is at best immature and I'll conceived. Today's showing...more of same. You know full well both the mistakes he, s made and how he as made Labour defunct.for a generation. His only chance of power relies on a total collapse of Tories. Rather like United just waiting for City to go bankrupt rather than building a team to beat them..

 

[Zlatan]

Do you imagine TM does that now?
The Civil Service is the instrument of state involved

She dedides policy, civil servants simply carry it out.

 

[Zlatan]

Do you imagine TM does that now?
The Civil Service is the instrument of state involved

But to be fair much of the financial planning would be on Diane Abbot. So, my apologies, all is fine.

 

[oldgroaner]

His heart may be at the right place and when push comes to shove, he is capable of some steel but he's not been tested on any major decision.
His hesitation with Labour brexit strategy, the adoption of IHRA definition and recently this afternoon, trying to create a space for TM's brexit deal. He will basically stay on the fence as long as he can.
Sorry, I don't think he's good enough for the top job.

Actually I agree on the grounds of his lacking the strategic sense to distance the labour party from complicity in Brexit.

 

[oyster]

You realise of course this comes under the classification of "Taboo News"

Ah! Of course, we won't be able to import the vodka, wine, peach and tropical juices after brexit.

 

[Zlatan]

Actually I agree on the grounds of his lacking the strategic sense to distance the labour party from complicity in Brexit.

I, ve been telling you for months he wants Brexit, a damned site more than TM so how can he distance himself from it. He should have opposed it, the clue is in the word. Oppose. Opposition.
What he wants to do is step in and negotiate a deal to leave. Big question is how? Nobody seems to ask him. What can he offer Barnier TM can't ?

 

[oldgroaner]

She dedides policy, civil servants simply carry it out.

No actually she doesn't, the Paymasters decide that , remember the classic quote from Murdoch after the Referendum?
"If promises aren't kept, there will be trouble"?
And then you can add a list as long as your arm, the ERG, Friends of Israel, Lobby goups, etc,etc.

 

[oldgroaner]

I, ve been telling you for months he wants Brexit, a damned site more than TM so how can he distance himself from it. He should have opposed it, the clue is in the word. Oppose. Opposition.
What he wants to do is step in and negotiate a deal to leave. Big question is how? Nobody seems to ask him. What can he offer Barnier TM can't ?

Not to pick the Cherries?

 

[oldgroaner]

love your optimism and belief

I am very optimistic that it will turn out fine in the end, what can you offer?

 

[oldgroaner]

Good news folks in the Guardian
"
UK appoints food supplies minister amid fears of no-deal Brexit
MP David Rutley, an ex-Asda and PepsiCo executive, will oversee protection of supplies

Must look in the loft for this

I know I've got it somewhere....
It isn't only the Government that can be prepared, by jove!

I have some questions, will he be paid "Theoretical money" since this is a "Theoretical Job" and does it come with a "Theoretical Golden Handshake" and a "Theoretical pension"?

 

[Woosh]

What can he offer Barnier TM can't ?

he can offer a free vote on brexit deal to let his MPs put country before party.
TM can then stick her two fingers to the ERG.

 

[oldgroaner]

he can offer a free vote on brexit deal to let his MPs put country before party.
TM can then stick her two fingers to the ERG.

And the DUP too!

 

[Zlatan]

he can offer a free vote on brexit deal to let his MPs put country before party.
TM can then stick her two fingers to the ERG.

Not a lot then.MPs vote to turn deal down..... and crash out.. or accept same deal.. ?? Is that really different?

 

[Woosh]

Not a lot then.MPs vote to turn deal down..... and crash out.. or accept same deal.. ?? Is that really different?

of course the majority of MPs will accept the deal which is to pay the EU roughly £15 billion a year to stay in without a say for two years, then the balance spread out over a few more years.
It's not much more than now, a kind of short term tenancy agreement.
Not many MPs will want to be recorded in Hansard that they were responsible for the chaos if they vote for no deal.