Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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And yet more - this time (again) the IEA:

Rightwing UK thinktank 'offered ministerial access' to potential US donors
Exclusive: Institute of Economic Affairs boss tells undercover reporter IEA in ‘Brexit influencing game’

A rightwing thinktank has been offering potential US donors access to government ministers and civil servants as it raises cash for research to support the free-trade deals demanded by hardline Brexiters, according to an investigation.

The director of the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) was secretly recorded telling an undercover reporter that funders could get to know ministers on first-name terms and that his organisation was in “the Brexit influencing game”.

Mark Littlewood claimed the IEA could make introductions to ministers and said the thinktank’s trade expert knew Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, David Davis and Liam Fox well.

The IEA chief was also recorded suggesting potential US donors could fund and shape “substantial content” of research commissioned by the thinktank and that its findings would always support the argument for free-trade deals.

This could hugely benefit US farmers by lifting the ban on the sale in the UK of beef from cattle treated with growth hormones and chlorine-washed chicken.

Speaking about what kind of Westminster access the IEA could provide donors with, Littlewood told the investigator: “I have absolutely no problem with people who have business interests, us facilitating those.”

The investigation, undertaken in May and June, also revealed the thinktank had already provided access to a minister for a US organisation.

The disclosures are likely to raise fresh questions about the independence and status of the IEA, which is established as an educational charity. Charity Commission rules state that “an organisation will not be charitable if its purposes are political”.
Is this worthy IEA Chief a member of Clan Bell by any chance? he shows promise :cool:
 
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Their tower at Blackethouse in Dumfriesshire
Thank you.

"My tower" was actually Mauchline Castle (Abbot Hunter’s Tower), Mauchline. Adjacent to Gavin Hamilton's House in which I lived in 1961. Absolutely loved the place despite it not being in the best of condition. But not so desperately far from Blackethouse - about 75 miles. :)
 
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Thank you.

"My tower" was actually Mauchline Castle (Abbot Hunter’s Tower), Mauchline. Adjacent to Gavin Hamilton's House in which I lived in 1961. Absolutely loved the place despite it not being in the best of condition. But no so desperately far from Blackethouse - about 75 miles. :)
That must have been one of the furthest South Campbell holdings, it shows how powerful they were!
 
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brexit metaphors in the Indy:

  • Brexit is like when you decide to go through a fast food drive-thru and you get to the second window and realise that you’ve forgotten your wallet except now there is a car behind you and a car in front so you can’t get out.
  • Brexit is like when you go into a shop and take something to the till and it ends up being more expensive than you thought but you’re too awkward to say anything so you just end up paying over the odds for a bottle of wine you didn’t need anyway.
  • Brexit is like when you lose your phone and you accuse everyone around you of stealing it before you discover that it was actually in the bottom of your bag the whole time but you’re too proud to say anything so you alienate a group of your friends with your false accusations.
  • Brexit is like being Dr Alex on Love Island and rejecting every woman that comes into the villa but kicking off when a woman rejects you.
  • Brexit is like sinking your fancy pants yacht because you don’t want “foreign” staff to be able to work on it.
  • Brexit is like when those people build outhouses in their garden except they didn’t ask for planning permission and the council find out and they have to knock the whole thing down just to ask for planning permission so they can build it again.
  • Brexit is like in Eurovision when we psych ourselves up for a win but then we have to sit there for an extended period of time while all the countries around us tell us we’re s**t.
  • Brexit is like when you’re at the dentist and the dentist in charge, who has all the dental knowledge, asks you a pertinent and important question but you can’t answer because said dentist has their fingers in your mouth.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-lies-article-50-general-election-nigel-farage-humour-satire-not-funny-a8468691.html
 

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brexit metaphors in the Indy:

  • Brexit is like when you decide to go through a fast food drive-thru and you get to the second window and realise that you’ve forgotten your wallet except now there is a car behind you and a car in front so you can’t get out.
  • Brexit is like when you go into a shop and take something to the till and it ends up being more expensive than you thought but you’re too awkward to say anything so you just end up paying over the odds for a bottle of wine you didn’t need anyway.
  • Brexit is like when you lose your phone and you accuse everyone around you of stealing it before you discover that it was actually in the bottom of your bag the whole time but you’re too proud to say anything so you alienate a group of your friends with your false accusations.
  • Brexit is like being Dr Alex on Love Island and rejecting every woman that comes into the villa but kicking off when a woman rejects you.
  • Brexit is like sinking your fancy pants yacht because you don’t want “foreign” staff to be able to work on it.
  • Brexit is like when those people build outhouses in their garden except they didn’t ask for planning permission and the council find out and they have to knock the whole thing down just to ask for planning permission so they can build it again.
  • Brexit is like in Eurovision when we psych ourselves up for a win but then we have to sit there for an extended period of time while all the countries around us tell us we’re s**t.
  • Brexit is like when you’re at the dentist and the dentist in charge, who has all the dental knowledge, asks you a pertinent and important question but you can’t answer because said dentist has their fingers in your mouth.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-lies-article-50-general-election-nigel-farage-humour-satire-not-funny-a8468691.html
Mine is more topical
Brexit is like watching your Mother in law going backwards over a cliff in your new car, because she forgot to engage the handbrake, and she was busy looking under the seat to find where she had dropped the ignition key.
 
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If I was Theresa May I would put a vote to either parliament or the people....most agree that no deal would be a disaster.....so the vote should have only 2 options.....
1. Support the leave deal that I have negotiated based upon Chequers.
Or....
2. We ask the EU to remain.
Be interesting what the Brexiters would vote for?
Be interesting what Labour would vote for?
KudosDave
 
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oldtom

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This little film clip was made 75 years ago and today, the world is once again under threat from the fascist hordes while the mainstream media, as in the 1930s, demonstrate support for these evil people.

I am sick to death of these 'Brexit' proponents, brainwashed from birth by the same media that lauded praise on the Mosley blackshirts in the 1930s, replicating their support today for the vile fascists here in the UK, in America and elsewhere around the world.

Some present themselves in this forum, unable to explain how we may benefit from 'Brexit' but happy to discuss mythical propaganda, condemning the Labour Party and claiming that there exists an anti-semitic element therein, uncontrolled by, or only partly suppressed by Jeremy Corbyn. Those people have never accepted their part in, or taken responsibility for the vicious murder of Jo Cox and even now, maintain their support and adulation of all those liars who have attempted to wrest power away from the British people through deceit, pretending that an unprepared public voted once, thereby providing the fascists who gave rise to Thomas Mair, carte blanche.


The British people need to have the opportunity to cancel 'Brexit' before this once-great country is reduced to a mere shell, unable to fend for itself in the big, wide, 21st century world, only able to earn insufficient income by selling weapons and war machinery to other evil regimes overseas.

As we draw near to the point of no return, it is important that those who wish to leave the EU understand exactly what is happening and what will most certainly come to pass if they fail to heed the words of Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Tom
 
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It would appear even the right wing press are beginning to see something is wrong
The Telegraph this morning
"
Forget stockpiling food – I’m going to be growing my own in the Brexit post-apocalypse
JANE SHILLING
"
Really? this is about as unrealistic as anything yet, when people really tried doing this during wartime it was only a help, and they really put in a lot of work trying.
If this is what Brexit means, we are doomed.
What a feeble "Call to Arms" for holy Brexit!
 

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Mine is more topical
Brexit is like watching your Mother in law going backwards over a cliff in your new car, because she forgot to engage the handbrake, and she was busy looking under the seat to find where she had dropped the ignition key.
More brexit metaphors:

- Brexit has been the parliamentary equivalent of putting diesel into an unleaded car and it’s broken the engine.
-I'm going to cancel Netflix and negotiate with each film producer separately, to get the best deal for me and my family. Maybe bundle each service together into one package similar to Netflix but don't call it Netflix.
-brexit: what we don’t want to find is that at the first tap it falls apart like a Chocolate Orange. It needs to be coming through like a cricket ball.
 
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Idiocy rules in the Express
"
It’s Project Fear all over again! Brexiteers blast warnings over leaving EU with no deal
BREXIT campaigners last night slammed "Project Fear" doomsday warnings by Government planners about the potential impact of leaving the European Union without a deal.."

And what is the problem? the Government has made plans for emergency action if Brexit causes shortages.

So this is Project Fear, Brexiteers don't accept even the possibiltiy of their nonsense going wrong and would prefer all hell to break out if it does?
 

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Sky poll:
Do you think there should or should not be a referendum on whether the UK should leave the EU on the terms suggested by the government, leave the EU without a deal with the EU, or not leave the EU?

Should: 50%, Should not: 40%,
Don't know: 10%

If there were a referendum, what would be your first preference?

Remain: 48%, No deal: 27%, Chequers: 13%,
won't vote: 8%. don't know: 4%

https://interactive.news.sky.com/brexitshifttabs.pdf
 

oldtom

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I'm going to cancel Netflix and negotiate with each film producer separately, to get the best deal for me and my family. Maybe bundle each service together into one package similar to Netflix but don't call it Netflix.
Brilliant analogy 'Woosh'! However, I suspect Netflix's lawyers will have included provision to stymie that contingency in the small print.

Tom
 
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oldtom

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When I was little, there was a statue of a man with a beard in my local public park. I asked my dad why he was famous and my dad told me the story of the beginnings of the Labour movement.

That man was Keir Hardie and these two infographics illustrate the difference between the decent, hardworking people whose toil created all that is good in the UK and the parasitic ruling class, whose parliamentary representatives, propaganda merchants and appointed judges conspire at every turn to ensure there is no interruption to the status quo, keeping their unearned wealth supply out of the clutches of those who seek a fairer distribution:

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Tom
 

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This little film clip was made 75 years ago and today, the world is once again under threat from the fascist hordes while the mainstream media, as in the 1930s, demonstrate support for these evil people.

I am sick to death of these 'Brexit' proponents, brainwashed from birth by the same media that lauded praise on the Mosley blackshirts in the 1930s, replicating their support today for the vile fascists here in the UK, in America and elsewhere around the world.

Some present themselves in this forum, unable to explain how we may benefit from 'Brexit' but happy to discuss mythical propaganda, condemning the Labour Party and claiming that there exists an anti-semitic element therein, uncontrolled by, or only partly suppressed by Jeremy Corbyn. Those people have never accepted their part in, or taken responsibility for the vicious murder of Jo Cox and even now, maintain their support and adulation of all those liars who have attempted to wrest power away from the British people through deceit, pretending that an unprepared public voted once, thereby providing the fascists who gave rise to Thomas Mair, carte blanche.


The British people need to have the opportunity to cancel 'Brexit' before this once-great country is reduced to a mere shell, unable to fend for itself in the big, wide, 21st century world, only able to earn insufficient income by selling weapons and war machinery to other evil regimes overseas.

As we draw near to the point of no return, it is important that those who wish to leave the EU understand exactly what is happening and what will most certainly come to pass if they fail to heed the words of Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Tom
Perhaps you, or anyone else who supports such nasty posts, would please explain Labour's stance on Brexit. (Bearing in mind the Topic of the thread is Brexit and not some class war, which even if correct and well meaning, is utterly irrelevant and especially so listening to Corbyn's opinion on EU.
He, s actually more of Euro sceptic than May.
Had your glorious Labour movement actually opposed the government we wouldn't be in this mess. They are equally to blame for this predicament as the tories.
 
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oldgroaner

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Perhaps you, or anyone else who supports such nasty posts, would please explain Labour's stance on Brexit. (Bearing in mind the Topic of the thread is Brexit and not some class war, which even if correct and well meaning, is utterly irrelevant and especially so listening to Corbyn's opinion on EU.
He, s actually more of Euro sceptic than May.
Had your glorious Labour movement actually opposed the government we wouldn't be in this mess. They are equally to blame for this predicament as the tories.
I'll explain Labour's stance on Brexit
They are a clueless set of prats who are like the Tories playing party politics and seeking to apply nonsensical arguments to excuse their behaviour.
Quite simple really
They have no real idea of what they are doing, or rather failing to do, and Corbyn has completely lost the plot
 
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They have no real idea of what they are doing, or rather failing to do, and Corbyn has completely lost the plot
or they could play the game 'reduction to absurdity'.
the silent majority of MPs gently reduce the choices to just no deal or remain, it's obvious that remainers outnumber hard brexiters by 2:1.
If TM went for EFTA, the negotiation would have been completed by now.
 
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