Agreed, but likewise I, m not conducting one against EU.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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If you imagine that voting for Brexit makes you a patriot and voting against it and enemy of the UK, then you are truly hopelessly confused.
Brexit is the ultimate act of treachery to the people of this country.
Resisting this act of vandalism is what voting for remain is about, how on earth can you see that as "against the UK?"
We are trying to protect it from your folly.
The damage you have caused is deep and dangerous with the nonsensical choice you made, no doubt Putin rejoices at the trouble Brexit has caused,
He gets as much materiel and political damage as a military campaign, with no risk or casualties for the cost of a little financial help to useful idiots..
And has it achieved what you wanted? I'll rephrase that, do you still maintain that you knew what you voted for, even though no one else on the leave side has managed to articulate a pragmatic answer?
Despite us warning you of the imcompetence of British politicians, how is it that your much vaunted Math background couldn't help you work out the odds that this farcical mess we are in over Brexit is exactly as we anticipated?
It was obvious right from the start.
And here you are accusing me of being against the UK?
If I dig out your old posts where you have personally conducted a series of personal attacks, on Juncker and blamed the EU for a culture of corruption in various countries which the EU actually has no power to control, because it has no sovereignty over them , yet you still blamed the EU for not forcing these people to do what it tells them, have you got another name for witch hunting you prefer?
So you are giving up your witch hunt against the EU?
Yep, when you give yours up against UK.
You have done a Trump, haven't you?
Misery? hardly, off to Anglesey first thing in the morning so you'll have to read the right wing papers on your own till later in the day.
Don't go off in a sulk just when things are getting interesting...
After all getting someone to argue the case for Brexit is getting harder every day as the dream gets harder and harder to maintain.
Brexit needs you! (and if that isn't a sign of desperation for the cause I don't know what is.)
Far from being miserable it's the wife's 75 th Birthday today, permit me to put a link to the card my youngest Daughter brought for her
https://www.blipfoto.com/entry/2469944232727547234
Insanity they say is a hereditary condition
we get it from our children
Great kid, even now she's over 40
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I wouldn't pay attention to this kind of superficial argument, on the opposite side, you've got 'we'll run out of fresh food in 3 days'.
to counter that, I'd say a lot of people only need to feel it in their guts. Are you going to say that guts feeling is not good enough?
When that happens to me a half teaspoon of Bicarbonate of Soda dissolved in a glass of warm water usual does the trick, I prefer using the family Brain cell for the tricky stuff
"Thinking is best left to a qualified organ"
That brief, potted history is exactly that which I was given to understand by my mother and her siblings, my aunt and uncle, all born long before partition. I still have kinfolk living in Belfast and elsewhere in the 6 counties plus I have other connections due to my late wife's maternal side. Those are all members of the protestant community but my wife's father was an Irish catholic, though non-practising as he didn't like to keep asking forgiveness for excessive drinking and fighting....and losing!
In my mum's time, there was only one Ireland and the enemy of the common people was the British establishment and their parliament. Unsurprisingly, many of my Irish and Scots relatives, like tens of thousands of others, upped sticks and emigrated, some to Australia, NZ and the USA, while I have other family in Canada.
If the UK should find itself outside the EU next year, I shall utilise my entitlement to an Irish passport to ease my ability to move around Europe.
Tom
Yet more of the delightful behaviour of some of the brexit campaign:
Anger over use of Brexit ads in aftermath of Jo Cox murder
Leave campaigners described as ‘behaving despicably’, while it is revealed Facebook ads were put out soon after MP’s shooting
Carole Cadwalladr & Toby Helm
Sat 28 Jul 2018 20.34 BST Last modified on Sat 28 Jul 2018 20.43 BST
Darren Grimes, the leader of the BeLeave youth campaign, which worked alongside Vote Leave. Photograph: BeLeave
Key figures working with the official campaign for Brexit planned to pump out controversial pro-Leave advertisements to millions of voters via Facebook the day after the Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered in June 2016, despite an agreement by all sides to suspend national activities out of respect, it has emerged.
Evidence that Leave campaigners discussed their plans to re-start national activities with targeted, hard-hitting ads so soon drew a furious response from politicians and friends of the late MP.
Data released by Facebook to the all-party digital, culture, media and sport (DCMS) select committee suggested dozens of adverts were targeted at voters from the day after Cox’s murder and seen by more than 20 million people.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...it-ads-after-jo-cox-murder-beleave-vote-leave
Anger over use of Brexit ads in aftermath of Jo Cox murder
Leave campaigners described as ‘behaving despicably’, while it is revealed Facebook ads were put out soon after MP’s shooting
Carole Cadwalladr & Toby Helm
Sat 28 Jul 2018 20.34 BST Last modified on Sat 28 Jul 2018 20.43 BST
Darren Grimes, the leader of the BeLeave youth campaign, which worked alongside Vote Leave. Photograph: BeLeave
Key figures working with the official campaign for Brexit planned to pump out controversial pro-Leave advertisements to millions of voters via Facebook the day after the Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered in June 2016, despite an agreement by all sides to suspend national activities out of respect, it has emerged.
Evidence that Leave campaigners discussed their plans to re-start national activities with targeted, hard-hitting ads so soon drew a furious response from politicians and friends of the late MP.
Data released by Facebook to the all-party digital, culture, media and sport (DCMS) select committee suggested dozens of adverts were targeted at voters from the day after Cox’s murder and seen by more than 20 million people.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...it-ads-after-jo-cox-murder-beleave-vote-leave
Perhaps not quite as different as initially appears!
A combination of family history and a DNA test strongly indicates that my background is over 50% from Ireland. For example, great-grandmother appears to have left around potato famine time.
And I have pretty much no Welsh background.
Much of the rest is Scottish.
JCJ said this 3 weeks ago about those self-proclaimed patriots leading the 'Brexit' campaign to divorce the UK from the EU.
Tom
Tom
Me too, though in the case of the Bell clan we were invited to cease and desist and darken someone else's doorstep.
You're no a "Bell" are you? it might be worth checking....
From the Telegraph this morning
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We should all unite around getting the best deal for Britain
Greg Hand
Amazing that this Clown has no sense of irony, isn't it? and this I did like
" And this amusing headline
Tory grassroots in open revolt over May’s Brexit plan as PM warned by her own constituency chairman
Tory grassroots are revolting? why publish so obvious a fact?
"
We should all unite around getting the best deal for Britain
Greg Hand
Amazing that this Clown has no sense of irony, isn't it? and this I did like
" And this amusing headline
Tory grassroots in open revolt over May’s Brexit plan as PM warned by her own constituency chairman
Tory grassroots are revolting? why publish so obvious a fact?
It's Fiction time in the Express
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Secret ‘reserve parachute’ Brexit plan REVEALED – ministers ready for Chequers snub by EU
A TOP secret Brexit plan called the ‘reserve parachute’ is being drawn up by ministers as a fallback in case Prime Minister Theresa May’s Chequers deal is killed off by the EU.
And the most hilarious part?
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Former Brexit Secretary David Davis first started work on the plan, which is based on first class deals between the EU and other nations such as Canada, Japan, South Korea and New Zealand.
But the paperwork remained unfinished following his shock resignation last month after locking horns with Mrs May over her current Chequers arrangement.
The document has now been left in the hands of Mr Davis’s successor Dominic Raab to finish and is said to be a backdrop option in case the Chequers deal falls through.
Here is a sneak preview of the poster campaign to explain this plan to the public
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Secret ‘reserve parachute’ Brexit plan REVEALED – ministers ready for Chequers snub by EU
A TOP secret Brexit plan called the ‘reserve parachute’ is being drawn up by ministers as a fallback in case Prime Minister Theresa May’s Chequers deal is killed off by the EU.
And the most hilarious part?
"
Former Brexit Secretary David Davis first started work on the plan, which is based on first class deals between the EU and other nations such as Canada, Japan, South Korea and New Zealand.
But the paperwork remained unfinished following his shock resignation last month after locking horns with Mrs May over her current Chequers arrangement.
The document has now been left in the hands of Mr Davis’s successor Dominic Raab to finish and is said to be a backdrop option in case the Chequers deal falls through.
Here is a sneak preview of the poster campaign to explain this plan to the public
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By name, a lot of my Scottish inheritance is Campbell.Me too, though in the case of the Bell clan we were invited to cease and desist and darken someone else's doorstep.
You're no a "Bell" are you? it might be worth checking....
(Only once ever having met any of that side, am not exactly familiar with them. Is that the gay branch of the Bells?)
JCJ:
"instead of developing a plan, they are leaving the boat"
short, sharp, to the point.
Contrast that with our new foreign secretary:
"UK public will blame EU for no-deal brexit"
wait a minute, if this is the case, then the will of the people is surely not to leave without a deal.
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Farage: Bannon plan could help populists to EU election victory
Ex-Ukip leader predicts sweeping advances for anti-EU parties in March 2019
Mark Townsend Home affairs editor
Sun 29 Jul 2018 08.00 BST Last modified on Sun 29 Jul 2018 09.08 BST
The intervention of former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon in European politics could help rightwing parties become the biggest bloc in the European parliament next year, according to Nigel Farage.
The former Ukip leader predicted sweeping advances for anti-EU parties during next May’s European elections, aided by the new project announced by Bannon . Bannon, one of the architects of Donald Trump’s US election triumph in 2016 and the former head of the rightwing Breitbart News, aims to establish a pan-European populist foundation .
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/29/farage-bannon-populists-eu-election
Ex-Ukip leader predicts sweeping advances for anti-EU parties in March 2019
Mark Townsend Home affairs editor
Sun 29 Jul 2018 08.00 BST Last modified on Sun 29 Jul 2018 09.08 BST
The intervention of former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon in European politics could help rightwing parties become the biggest bloc in the European parliament next year, according to Nigel Farage.
The former Ukip leader predicted sweeping advances for anti-EU parties during next May’s European elections, aided by the new project announced by Bannon . Bannon, one of the architects of Donald Trump’s US election triumph in 2016 and the former head of the rightwing Breitbart News, aims to establish a pan-European populist foundation .
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/29/farage-bannon-populists-eu-election
.. would that branch not have died off after a single generation? .. just asking!.
A withering verdict: MPs report on Zuckerberg, Russia and Cambridge Analytica
A report by the digital, culture, media and sport select committee demands more internet regulation
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/28/dcms-report-fake-news-disinformation-brexit-facebook-russia
The article ends with:
The report includes:
• A call for a full investigation into contacts between Arron Banks – millionaire backer of Leave.EU – and Russian officials and his business dealings with Russian companies. “We understand the National Crime Agency is investigating these matters. We believe that they should be given full access to any relevant information that will aid their inquiry.”
• A call for a full investigation into the source of Banks’s donations to the referendum “to verify that the money was not sourced from abroad”. It notes that “should there be any doubt, the matter should be referred to the NCA”.
• A proposal for limits in future elections on individual donors and for major donors to “demonstrate the source of their donations”.
• A demand for further investigation by Facebook of Russian interference on its platform. Facebook’s denial of “direct Russian interference using Facebook in the Brexit referendum” was “disingenuous and typical of Facebook’s handling of our questions”.
• Calls for a full ICO report on Aleksandr Kogan, the Russian-born scientist who was working in Russia with grants from the Russian government while harvesting Facebook data for Cambridge Analytica.
• A request for more information about the ICO’s statement that Cambridge Analytica’s systems had been “accessed from IP addresses that resolve to Russia and other areas of the CIS [Commonwealth of Independent States]”.
• A statement from the British government on “how many investigations are currently being carried out into Russian interference in UK politics”. It says: “It would be wrong for Robert Mueller’s inquiry to take the lead about related issues in the UK.” It calls for coordination between all relevant authorities.
A report by the digital, culture, media and sport select committee demands more internet regulation
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/28/dcms-report-fake-news-disinformation-brexit-facebook-russia
The article ends with:
The report includes:
• A call for a full investigation into contacts between Arron Banks – millionaire backer of Leave.EU – and Russian officials and his business dealings with Russian companies. “We understand the National Crime Agency is investigating these matters. We believe that they should be given full access to any relevant information that will aid their inquiry.”
• A call for a full investigation into the source of Banks’s donations to the referendum “to verify that the money was not sourced from abroad”. It notes that “should there be any doubt, the matter should be referred to the NCA”.
• A proposal for limits in future elections on individual donors and for major donors to “demonstrate the source of their donations”.
• A demand for further investigation by Facebook of Russian interference on its platform. Facebook’s denial of “direct Russian interference using Facebook in the Brexit referendum” was “disingenuous and typical of Facebook’s handling of our questions”.
• Calls for a full ICO report on Aleksandr Kogan, the Russian-born scientist who was working in Russia with grants from the Russian government while harvesting Facebook data for Cambridge Analytica.
• A request for more information about the ICO’s statement that Cambridge Analytica’s systems had been “accessed from IP addresses that resolve to Russia and other areas of the CIS [Commonwealth of Independent States]”.
• A statement from the British government on “how many investigations are currently being carried out into Russian interference in UK politics”. It says: “It would be wrong for Robert Mueller’s inquiry to take the lead about related issues in the UK.” It calls for coordination between all relevant authorities.