I cannot imagine any kind of deal that will prevail in parliamentary debate or as a subject matter for a referendum.
Tom
Brexit, for once some facts.
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any deal that gives parliament 2 year transition will probably be OK, membership fees are worth £22 billions out of the £39. If we leave without a deal, we'll be sued for the whole £39 billions.
MPs are a bit desperate to buy more time.
Tonight of BBC Radio there's a program titled "In Search of Sovereignty", presented by American satirist Joe Queenan. Should be fun!
It's on Radio 4 at 8pm and repeated on Wednesday at 11am. Alternatively one can listen at any time after tonight's broadcast on the BBC i-player on this link
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It's on Radio 4 at 8pm and repeated on Wednesday at 11am. Alternatively one can listen at any time after tonight's broadcast on the BBC i-player on this link
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Just think 28 countries and only the poor old UK lost their sovereignty joining the EU! How did that happen I wonder? Must be something in the water...
Never mind soon you will be able to eat hormone injected beef and chlorine washed chicken to your hearts content!
"If this is done badly, it could hurt the whole bloomin' country worse than any previous action ever taken by the UK government."This is interesting
"If this is done, it could hurt the whole bloomin' country worse than any previous action ever taken by any UK government."
Whatever happened to the The Freedom of Information Act 2000? Perhaps we should all start submitting requests for brexit, especially no-deal, planning information?
Watch Lord Nigel receive a call from a vet that stumps him!
https://twitter.com/JamieMcGrath__/status/1023567403974840325/video/1
https://twitter.com/JamieMcGrath__/status/1023567403974840325/video/1
When you think about it, British folk aren't keen to take on the roles of fruit pickers, is it any wonder that Vets who enjoy status, and high wages want to demean themselves to do the vital but dirty and soul destroying work in abbatoirs that the EU vets are presently doing?
Without them our whole Meat production industry for Export ceases to exist, and domestic meat consumption will become a health risk.
Oh the Goodness is flowing alright!
Without them our whole Meat production industry for Export ceases to exist, and domestic meat consumption will become a health risk.
Oh the Goodness is flowing alright!
One thing is clear for me, a compulsive label reader when it comes to food, no more UK food stuff in my home after brexit, I will no longer have the quality guarantees and EU consumer protection.
The Express has reached Rock bottom and now simply publishes total lies
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UK set for 'GOLDEN ERA' of trade with China as Hunt secures Brexit BOOST
BRITAIN has made a significant step forward towards a lucrative trade deal with China as new foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt spearheaded a charm offensive in Asia. The foreign secretary held talks with senior Chinese ministers as Britain prepares for freedom outside the EU.
Good grief..Charm offensive???
He got nothing, if anything he made things worse!
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UK set for 'GOLDEN ERA' of trade with China as Hunt secures Brexit BOOST
BRITAIN has made a significant step forward towards a lucrative trade deal with China as new foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt spearheaded a charm offensive in Asia. The foreign secretary held talks with senior Chinese ministers as Britain prepares for freedom outside the EU.
Good grief..Charm offensive???
He got nothing, if anything he made things worse!
The Express did it again with this
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Fury as Alastair Campbell calls for Brexit supporters to be JAILED
TONY Blair’s ex-spin doctor Alastair Campbell has called for Brexiteers to be “jailed” in a bizarre Twitter rant as debate rages over a second EU referendum.
When what he actually meant was that those who behaved illegally should be sent to jail.
About time they were, if they were taking dark money and breaking electoral law
And this too
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‘They are coming after BREXITEERS’ Activist fined £20k by 'Remainer' Electoral Commission
A Brexit campaigner fined £20,000 by the Electoral Commission has hit back saying he will fight the decision because “they will keep going after those who support Brexit”.
They are simply going after those who knowingly break the law.
This man is guilty as charged, and the the electoral commission have asked that the cap on the amount they can fine is increased, better still jail the miscreants.
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Fury as Alastair Campbell calls for Brexit supporters to be JAILED
TONY Blair’s ex-spin doctor Alastair Campbell has called for Brexiteers to be “jailed” in a bizarre Twitter rant as debate rages over a second EU referendum.
When what he actually meant was that those who behaved illegally should be sent to jail.
About time they were, if they were taking dark money and breaking electoral law
And this too
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‘They are coming after BREXITEERS’ Activist fined £20k by 'Remainer' Electoral Commission
A Brexit campaigner fined £20,000 by the Electoral Commission has hit back saying he will fight the decision because “they will keep going after those who support Brexit”.
They are simply going after those who knowingly break the law.
This man is guilty as charged, and the the electoral commission have asked that the cap on the amount they can fine is increased, better still jail the miscreants.
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And from the Guardian
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The Institute of Economic Affairs is facing two official investigations after it emerged that the thinktank offered potential US donors access to UK government ministers as it raised cash for research to promote free-trade deals demanded by hardline Brexiters.
The Charity Commission announced on Monday that it had opened a regulatory compliance case into the IEA on the basis of concerns about its political independence. Whitehall’s lobbying tsar, Alison White, also said she will examine whether the free market think tank should be registered as a lobbyist.
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The Institute of Economic Affairs is facing two official investigations after it emerged that the thinktank offered potential US donors access to UK government ministers as it raised cash for research to promote free-trade deals demanded by hardline Brexiters.
The Charity Commission announced on Monday that it had opened a regulatory compliance case into the IEA on the basis of concerns about its political independence. Whitehall’s lobbying tsar, Alison White, also said she will examine whether the free market think tank should be registered as a lobbyist.
Also from the Guardian:
Top story: ‘We need a deal’ say carmakers
Hello on a Tuesday morning. I’m Warren Murray – let’s get you clued up.
Britain’s carmakers are being left unprepared for Brexit, their trade body has said. “We need a deal. If we have no deal, there is no transition, there is no implementation period, that would kick in less than eight months away,” said Mike Hawes, the chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. Asked if there were any potential Brexit benefits for the £82bn British automotive industry and its 186,000 employees, Hawes said: “Not that we can see.”
Top story: ‘We need a deal’ say carmakers
Hello on a Tuesday morning. I’m Warren Murray – let’s get you clued up.
Britain’s carmakers are being left unprepared for Brexit, their trade body has said. “We need a deal. If we have no deal, there is no transition, there is no implementation period, that would kick in less than eight months away,” said Mike Hawes, the chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. Asked if there were any potential Brexit benefits for the £82bn British automotive industry and its 186,000 employees, Hawes said: “Not that we can see.”
The more we see and hear about the background working of the Brexit faction, the more appropriate are these words
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Words from Thousands of years ago yet they describe perfectly the main characters in the sedition of the Leave campaign and the main culprits both those on the inside, and the external money men from hostile states orchestrating their actions.
Early in this thread I was rounded on for making what was dismissed as a "nonsense claim" that there was a sinister international plot behind the Brexit campaign.
And here we are with more evidence appearing daily that this was indeed the truth, for who can doubt that now?
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Words from Thousands of years ago yet they describe perfectly the main characters in the sedition of the Leave campaign and the main culprits both those on the inside, and the external money men from hostile states orchestrating their actions.
Early in this thread I was rounded on for making what was dismissed as a "nonsense claim" that there was a sinister international plot behind the Brexit campaign.
And here we are with more evidence appearing daily that this was indeed the truth, for who can doubt that now?
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in this day and age, you can see foreign influence anywhere and everywhere, so don't be surprised that the same accusations are applicable also to the opposite camp.
One thing though, funders of the brexit camp tend to be financiers. They have the most to gain with deregulation of financial services after brexit for they make money out of chaos and the EU introduces gradually legislation to curb micro/computerised share trading, tax havens, sweet heart CT deals for multi-nationals, money laundering etc. They would accept easily that we leave the EU while keeping regulatory alignment on goods. That's what the Chequers deal is.
One thing though, funders of the brexit camp tend to be financiers. They have the most to gain with deregulation of financial services after brexit for they make money out of chaos and the EU introduces gradually legislation to curb micro/computerised share trading, tax havens, sweet heart CT deals for multi-nationals, money laundering etc. They would accept easily that we leave the EU while keeping regulatory alignment on goods. That's what the Chequers deal is.
For me, the IEA is one of a large number of quango-like bodies that serves no useful purpose for the people of the UK, its primary function being to employ tories who are too ugly to be selected as MPs.
Frankly, I believe it should be classified as a proscribed organisation.
Tom
You would be have to be blind not to observe dear old Vladimir's hand in this!
After all who is the main beneficiary of disruption to the EU ?
There are two, and the other one is too much of an imbecile to be able to orchestrate a rout, but not Vlad, oh my no, he's one smart sort of evil doer.
Getting his dirty fingers in this one was inevitable.
A guaranteed Military level intervention with no risk, and at limited monetary cost too.
We should make him an honorary member of Clan Bell for his creative political genius.
And that is probably the most damning praise you could heap on anyone.
Someone help me with this , I'm struggling with the concept that by implication the Tory party selects its MP's from "The pretty ones"
My God!
Sorry Tom
"financiers"? is that the 21st century version of "Rievers"
looks like the same job description to me.