Brexit, for once some facts.
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of course it isn't a level playing field. Everything has to be negotiated and renegotiated with different import and export tariff under WTO.
If you want a level playing field, you have to be inside a trading bloc like the EU Single Market.
I know that the prevailing mood among the hard brexiters (about 10% of the voters, mainly conservatives) is to keep their fingers crossed that GB will do well in the future. I don't think it can compete with the G7 countries outside the EU. Our economy is only larger than Italy's and saddled with a large structural trade deficit.
Thats a different argument and I sort of agree as country is now but with a more enterprising ideology (as Peter Hargreaves has put forward since vote mentioned) we could be back competitive. We couldn't facing similar tariffs EU puts to USA at moment tho.???
That's not the way it's done in the USA, their milk couldn't be as cheap if it was.
Their vast herds of thousands of milking cattle never see a field, they are in rows in pens indoors in huge barns and fed from maize and soya derived food in troughs. That way there's almost no handling and no waste time labour intensive herding to and from fields. Their environmental damage is the huge tracts of land used for the food growing, often after clearing forest or jungle to grow them.
Our supermarket caused low milk priced have resulted in similar here, we have some farmers doing all their milk production in bulk indoors, sometimes with automated milking which the cows operate themselves when they want to be millked, no humans involved.
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I'm simply not in favour of letting yet another country flood our Market with cheap goods further damaging what little industry we have
So we can add animal cruelty to the good old USA's catalogue of sins?
Thanks for that. and the damage to the environment is simply done in a different way....
Imagine GB is a caged bird. The hard brexit proposal is to cut the ties but our caged bird is not as fit as France, Germany, Japan, China and the USA. It does not matter much how ambitious our young people are, we won't fly farther nor higher against our G7 competitors and may even crash.
We export a lot to the USA and the WTO countries stuff we build with components bought from the EU27.
If we leave the Single Market too soon, we can't do much in terms of producing these components in the UK. Be realistic, we are in no state of beating the big G7 at any trade negotiation.
Here as well of course. You might be even more shocked to realise that in these high productivity outfits each cow's output is automatically measured and they are put down after no more than three working years. Some outfits for maximum yield kill them at two milking years.
Intrinsically though all milk production is cruel. Each cow has to be calved each year to make it produce milk and the calf them immediately taken from the mother to put her into production. She moos calling for her calf for hours after separation.
Because there's no market for veal in the UK, the 50% bull calves are usually immediately destroyed as worthless.
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Slightly off topic, but not entirely. NHS funding will ultimately be impacted upon by Brexit. I have detected evidence that the NHS is over funded to the extent that they have to dispose of money because they have too much to store.
Thankfully nothing serious, but my wife has had contact with NHS services over recent weeks. Each time she has attended an appointment, she has had to have x-rays redone because previous x-rays cannot be shared with other departments. Notes made by clinicians who she has seen have not been available either. Consequently, consultant’s time is further wasted going over old ground.
Sadly, I think it has reached a point where the NHS needs to be privatised. The more cash we hose at this colossal, inefficient organisation, the more inventive ways they will find to waste it. I think we could throw the entire wealth of the country at it and it still wouldn’t be enough because the wastage would simply increase in proportion to the budget increase.
The NHS is totally broken, hijacked by parasites and run by managers who have insufficient tallest to run a public toilet.
Thankfully nothing serious, but my wife has had contact with NHS services over recent weeks. Each time she has attended an appointment, she has had to have x-rays redone because previous x-rays cannot be shared with other departments. Notes made by clinicians who she has seen have not been available either. Consequently, consultant’s time is further wasted going over old ground.
Sadly, I think it has reached a point where the NHS needs to be privatised. The more cash we hose at this colossal, inefficient organisation, the more inventive ways they will find to waste it. I think we could throw the entire wealth of the country at it and it still wouldn’t be enough because the wastage would simply increase in proportion to the budget increase.
The NHS is totally broken, hijacked by parasites and run by managers who have insufficient tallest to run a public toilet.
That's not quite what the tariffs are for tho in Car industry. Just for example take the Mustang I mentioned. It retails here for around £37k. That, s putting it in competition with I, d guess mid range 4 series. Now take off the 25.5% import add ons (Source quoted earlier) and we are looking at roughly 29k...So that either means BMW can either pocket lots more profit or be way more inefficient in their build process. Either way the buying public suffer. If BM etc are that good let them compete on even terms. It's really saying in a free world they can not compete.
One of things I can not understand about NHS is its willingness to pay exorbitant prices for many cheap medications. There was a report other day about them paying £113 for a pack of tablets available for under £5 abroad. The NHS is one of largest organisations in the world, pharmaceutical companies amongst the richest. If NHS was private or run correctly it would be making its own medications where possible. Obviously, it couldn't make all it required and I, ve heard the myth that pharmaceutical companies need vast profits to fund drug development but come on. When Ford needs new nuts and bolts do you think they get ripped off buying them. Of course not, but if they did, they would make their own.
patents rights.
Medicine is produced under license.
The patent owners usually do not allow the NHS to import directly medicine produced under license in another country.
True, but generics are often sold at rip-off prices to the NHS. We have some of the highest drug prices in the world. Tillson is right, the NHS is appallingly inefficient in very many ways.
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And I repeat, apart from making a cheap car for you how does this country complete with prices like that?
There's no future for any would be recovery of our manufacturing industry in letting its biggest competition put it out of business
There's no future for any would be recovery of our manufacturing industry in letting its biggest competition put it out of business
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You are a nation of accountants and bureaucrats which imagines it is a nation of shopkeepers good at trade...
It doesn’t stop at drugs, services and medical professional’s time being wasted. A building services engineer that I know showed me a bill for £348 charged to the NHS for the supply of a thermostatic radiator valve. It was nothing special just a standard plastic topped valve.
These are just microscopic samples of the things that the NHS are involved in, multiply all aspects of providing healthcare by the number of venues and you can see where all the cheese going.
that sounds like a PFI job to me.
License to fleece. You can't send in another contractor or allow staff to replace a lightbulb.