Brexit, for once some facts.
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YouGov poll 29-May: biggest shift in favour of remain:
wrong to leave (remainers) jumps from 44% to 47%
right to leave (leavers) goes down from 43% to 40%
wrong to leave (remainers) jumps from 44% to 47%
right to leave (leavers) goes down from 43% to 40%
That's exactly what I've been saying, as people get more sick of the subject they'll naturally lean towards Remain since that's the status quo that could make it go away.YouGov poll 29-May: biggest shift in favour of remain:
wrong to leave (remainers) jumps from 44% to 47%
right to leave (leavers) goes down from 43% to 40%
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But the need for Labour to have a lead that big will lessen as time passes if Brexit disillusion increases. Whether they like it or not, the Tories will get any blame. From calling the referendum through BJ's deceitful campaign and May's "Brexit means Brexit" to the troubled negotiations, they've had the strongest association with Brexit. It could really bite them hard.
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Ah, but what if there should be a situation where a trade dispute occurs? you would have to impose a border, and let's be honest, why should the EU trust the UK, when we have ratted on deals where we should have collected Tariffs for them already!
Who is this Will of the people Fella?
A relative of the Irishman Will O' the Wisp?
"Will of the people?
It's more of a guideline really!"
Just so we're clear.... what everyone voted for yes. It's not going to be a beneficial thing.
I am not sure that I trust YouGov polls, being well under 2000 people, extrapolated to the country, that only works out at a few people per local authority.YouGov poll 29-May: biggest shift in favour of remain:
wrong to leave (remainers) jumps from 44% to 47%
right to leave (leavers) goes down from 43% to 40%
They should trust the UK, because they don’t want a border either, simple as that.
I don’t really see how, it’s all open to interpretation, and will ebb and flow depending on what anyone considers good news or bad news, it’s just noise really.
The problem is we have already let them down to the tune of billlions of pounds on tariffs we were meant to collect.
It most certainly isn't simple as we have already proved dishonest.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-demands-uk-pay-e2-7-billion-in-lost-customs-duties/
The European Commission today formally demanded that the U.K. pay €2.7 billion into the EU budget after investigators found that British authorities allowed a massive Chinese fraud network to evade paying the appropriate level of customs duties.
The network — which imported ultra-cheap Chinese goods into Europe — was first revealed in March last year by the EU’s anti-fraud office OLAF. The EU concluded that British customs allowed those importers to use “fictitious and false invoices and incorrect customs value declarations at importati
“Despite having been informed of the risks of fraud relating to the importation of textiles and footwear originating in the People’s Republic of China since 2007, and despite having been asked to take appropriate risk control measures, the United Kingdom failed to take action to prevent the fraud,” the Commission said in a statement.
“The United Kingdom is liable for the financial consequences of its infringements of EU legislation.”
While any recovery of the funds will depend on negotiations between the U.K. and the Commission, London has already been in contact with Brussels to complain about the almost €3 billion bill that the government is facing for infringement of EU law.
Trust us? they would have to be stupid to do that, and they are not!
And of course no one knows into who's offshore bank accounts the wages of this particular sin went do they, worse, no one is trying to find out!
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It all sounds like postulating and guesswork though,
We estimate that you should have collected this much,
You have based your estimates on the wrong numbers, so they are wrong and we have collected everything we can in good faith,
You are unreliable because you owe us the money, why should we trust you,
Sounds all a bit meh
You are missing the point for some reason
This has been going on since 2007, why are you defending our position?
Very odd thing to do don't you think? some of your logic doesn't quite fit together viewed as a whole.
In fact as you stated it sounds "all a but meh"
It's certainly been going on though, we've often commented on the deliberate greatly understated customs certificate values of items we buy from China.
Someone remarked that it cuts the shipping insurance costs as well as duties, but I've no idea how true that is. I'm quite sure the Chinese aren't doing it for fun though.
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It’s a minor dispute between Britain and the EU, an unresolved dispute for 11 years, in which the ECJ has jurisdiction, happens all the time, probably with every EU country, in some form or another, because it’s really got no bearing on anything, it will still be there if we stay in and still be there if we leave,
Don’t sweat the little stuff, because it’s not going to affect anything.
They dont have to do anything because we want it, only because they do, they know we have "form" and can't be trusted, and you call that little stuff?
Little stuff like the "Boston Tea party" led on to bigger disputes.
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