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Brexit, for once some facts.
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even with a trade deal, the rule of origin still applies, components made in the UK cannot count as EU origin.
Only retaining our membership of the Single Market will protect jobs.
EEA is the only option.
The longer TM holds on to her stupid red lines and hides their cost, the more brexit voters will change their mind at the next GE.
It's OK for Tom to do that he, s in the Clique, if not the resident attack dOG comes sniffing around and growling.It sniffs out the faintest whiff of insult from most but cuddles up to Tom.
it's a vote, nobody is thick or votes wrongly at the time for exercising their rights.
Belonging to a social stratum has nothing to do with intelligence.
Everybody is entitled to changing their mind at anytime for whatever reason.
Belonging to a social stratum has nothing to do with intelligence.
Everybody is entitled to changing their mind at anytime for whatever reason.
Not for one moment did I ever think that referring to those very real groups of poorly educated members of society by such commonly-used descriptions would cause them to re-think their views.
To complain about that is equally pointless but those who squirm at such expressions are living in a kind of denial, as if these groups don't exist. A large body of those who voted leave in the referendum were (and remain) racist, xenophobic idiots. Unfortunately, it seems as though such words are too close to home for many of those still clinging to the misplaced belief that quitting the EU will somehow bestow great things on the United Kingdom.
I spent some time campaigning on our streets at various venues so I have had direct and very confrontational discussions with some really select
Tom
Large body?
Over 17 million and you pidgin hole them all or at least most of them,
Sounds a lot bigoted to me, are you a bigot Tom?
Well I don’t think that playing the man with insults and not the issue ever putt someone on the intelligence pedestal.
In fact I hate all those crap labels used to make people think they are more intelligent,
You know like Brexshitters, or remoaners, that sort of puerile talk, that reflects more on those who use them.
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I, m not clever enough to work out whether this is a veiled attack or defence of Tom. Please enlighten me flecc.
I don't think any of us fit Tom's classifications. Putting people into groups says more about the person doing so than the alleged group itself. Tom is the only poster on here I, d label. He, s a bigot, displaying prejudice in nearly every one of his posts. I just find it surprising some defend or tolerate him. He ruins the cause he purports to defend.
Fighting alledged bigotry with real simply does not work.
I wonder how many leavers he has created defending remain in the way he does. Attitudes like his simply polarise opinions and at a time when we should all be searching for common ground with a beneficial way forward. Tom's attitudes will spark aggression and conflict for us all.
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No hidden meaning at all, just what's on the surface, neither defence nor attack, nor looking for an argument with anyone. As I've already replied to you previously, I don't approve of personal insults in forums.
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And your many anti EU posts and attacks on the officials thereof are not bigotted?
Hmm.
Our problem is far bigger than whether individuals are bigotted or not, the real problem is that both the Government and opposition use it as a method of influencing the Public under various disguises, such as Patriotism and Fear.
Worrying over incendiary comments changing people's mind is irrelevant, not only is it too late, but the Government has decided that now that "The Will of the People" has been expressed,
It is cast in stone like one of the Ten Commanments, and unassailable, above criticism even, and that gives them Cart Blanche to take any action they deem "necessary" to comply, ignoring the fact that they are attributing things like leaving the Single Market and customs union that the leave campaign vehemently denied would ever be required, as being the expressed "Will of the People"
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Much of my attacks on EU about corruption and poor care of underpriviluged is in defence of being called racist, xenophobic etc.
You can't really compare the two stances .
But I can, Corruption is not confined to the EU, and as we are leaving no longer relevant, but you keep bringing it up.
Why?
by itself, the will of the people is a double edged sword and may be very fickled.
A second referendum is not against 'the will of the people' and no one knows what 'the will of the people' is going to be.
whereas words like 'brexidiot' are clearly used to insult.
Did you know that France has one of the lowest levels of poverty in Europe? And that it didn't get worse after 2008? And that inequality didn't get worse to the same degree either?
All that in a country you have been criticizing for corruption, being badly run, due to fail because of being in the EU/Euro zone etc. (yes I do read your posts most of the time...).
It is another form of the welfare state: giving jobs to those who would not/could not find work elsewhere. Thing is it works, keeps those people out of unemployment. Kind of like the Soviet Union...
When did I say France was due to fail. It's stronger than ever. I can only comment on how I find things. I found systematic corruption in France (and Spain, Greece) Our local Mayor and immobilier are both serving time as we speak. The incumbent organisation was marginally better. (The Mayor and estate agent were highlighting land, buying it cheap, passing building permission and selling on)We lost land under compulsory purchase through their scheme. It does have an effect. No matter how you see it, I see France as having a corruption problem. Hence my vote to leave EU. Then getting labelled a racist by such as you is only adding injury to insult. And BTW France is still ranked 23rd /180 countries. (Transparency International) UK 8th.
The Sarkozy affair only highlights the problem. Have a read of what was going on. (Allegedly)
As for your comments about France and poverty. Utter rubbish. My point was the EU have done nothing to lift people out of poverty throughout EU but they have lined the pockets of many in France, Spain and Greece. Yes, billions have been spent and it should filter down to poorest. It does not, because the rich and powerful (and some corrupt) build dams to keep all the cash. What happened in Caltalonia happens everywhere. Yes, Castles, roads, monuments and canals are rebuilt but none of it goes where it should. To the poorest. The EU has had no reduction in poverty rate in past 15 years, yet spending levels are astronomical. Guess where it's going??? I wonder.
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