Brexit, for once some facts.

[ianboydsnr]

They sont have to do anything because we want it, only because they do, they know we have "form" and can't be trusted, and you call that little stuff?
Little stuff like the "Boston Tea party" led on to bigger disputes.

Why is it a big issue now?
Was it a big issue before the referendum? Did the EU trust the UK in 2012 or 2013 or 2014, or 2015?

If we withdrew A50 would they still not trust us, or would the trust magically appear?

We are a country, not a little scrote who burgles old people, we have form, you crack me up.

I take it you think that the EU don’t want a deal, as we are so untrustworthy and have form, where does that leave us then?

 

[oldgroaner]

Why is it a big issue now?
Was it a big issue before the referendum? Did the EU trust the UK in 2012 or 2013 or 2014, or 2015?

If we withdrew A50 would they still not trust us, or woukd the trust magically appear?

We are a country, not a little scrote who burgles old people, we have form, you crack me up.

I crack you up? how interesting.
And revealing too.

 

[ianboydsnr]

I crack you up? how interesting.
And revealing too.

Have you got some issues with me?

Do you care to explain yourself?

 

[oldgroaner]

Have you got some issues with me?

Do you care to explain yourself?

Not really, I welcome debate in all it's forms, even when the approach is rather direct, as yours can be, do carry on by all means..

There, I have explained myself, now it's your turn...
Why the innuendo?

 

[ianboydsnr]

Not really, I welcome debate in all it's forms, even when the approach is rather direct, as yours can be, do carry on by all means..

There, I have explained myself, now it's your turn...
Why the innuendo?

What innuendo?

If you mean the crack me up, it’s what they say around here for make me laugh.

 

[oldgroaner]

What innuendo?

If you mean the crack me up, it’s what they say around here for make me laugh.

Fair enough I believe we can get along just fine, adjusting to our slightly different debating styles should be fun

 

[Woosh]

JC just made his move:

"Labour amendment seeks 'full access' to EU market"

TM should thank him for it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44377072

 

[oldgroaner]

JC just made his move:

"Labour amendment seeks 'full access' to EU market"

TM should thank him for it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44377072

And the reaction from the Brexiteers will be?

 

[flecc]

JC just made his move:

"Labour amendment seeks 'full access' to EU market"

TM should thank him for it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44377072

Good timing on JC's part with these critical votes coming up. The conundrum now is whether the Tory Remainers will see this as a point of focus to rebel around, or whether politics will win and it strengthens their anti Corbyn-Labour feelings.
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[Woosh]

I don’t really see how, it’s all open to interpretation, and will ebb and flow depending on what anyone considers good news or bad news, it’s just noise really.

there is always a signal inside the noise. That's what underpins statistical methods.

 

[Woosh]

And the reaction from the Brexiteers will be?

swallow their pride and accept that any brexit is still better than no brexit.
the reality is if they don't pipe down a little, as flecc said, more people will get fed up with their noises and there will be a second referendum.

 

[Woosh]

Good timing on JC's part with these critical votes coming up. The conundrum now is whether the Tory Remainers will see this as a point of focus to rebel around, or whether politics will win and it strengthens their anti Corbyn-Labour feelings.
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tories remainers rely still on Monsieur Barnier to be a dart board for the Daily Express readership.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Express
"
EU has 'lit a BOMB' underneath car manufacturing as Europe told NOT to use UK parts
THE EU has “lit a bomb” underneath the car manufacturing industry as European governments are being advised not to use UK parts in vehicles for export ahead of Brexit.
"After Brexit, parts made in the UK no longer count towards this minimum production in the European Union."

This in reference to “rules of origin” and “local content” under international trade rules.
A leading car industry executive said not using UK parts for EU exports would be a catastrophe for the British industry.

They said: "The hard Brexiteers have built a bomb under the UK automotive industry and the EU have lit it.”

In order to qualify for EU free trade deals, a certain portion of a product’s parts needs to come from the EU."

This is usually more than half, at around 55 per cent.
What is interesting is that this is presented Factually, without the usual Blame and Fury comments.
Is the penny dropping do you suppose,

 

[oyster]

"After Brexit, parts made in the UK no longer count towards this minimum production in the European Union."

Did anyone ever think it would, or even could, be otherwise?

And playing with origins has been a major issue in trade for as long as anyone can remember! In this sort of situation, though, the evidence is probably relatively easy to gather.

 

[oldgroaner]

Again from the Express
"
Brexit BETRAYAL: Rees-Mogg demands Labour answer to Leave voters after SHOCK U–TURN
LABOUR was accused of betraying Brexit voters last night after senior figures pledged to fight to keep Britain tied to the EU's single market. In a fresh policy u-turn ahead of next week’s crunch Commons votes on Theresa May's Brexit plans, Labour frontbenchers yesterday tabled a string of amendments to the Government's flagship departure legislation designed to keep Britain closely linked to Brussels.

What a convenient memory Moggy has, all the leave champions claimed during the referendum campaign that we wouldn't need to leave both the Single Market and Customs Union

Answer to the leave voters yourself for wanting something that was promised wouldn't happen Moggy!

 

[Woosh]

JRM should wait until Friday when the government reveals their new customs plan. I reckon TM will come even closer to the EU than JC.

 

[oldtom]

Is the penny dropping do you suppose,

Nope! To understand the potential catastrophe this announcement presents would be to admit that 'Brexit' is a bad idea but those who stand to increase their personal fortunes will persevere with the headlong rush to crash out of the EU, regardless.

The thickos who supported the fascist rabblerousers like Farage, Johnson, Gove, Davis and Fox because of their racist outpourings about immigration and lies about the aims and structures of the EU will also continue to support 'Brexit' for all the worst reasons imaginable.

It may well be in the long-term interest of the country to crash out and let the suffering begin as eventually, the thickos will come to realise that they have been hoodwinked by a bunch of multi-millionaire charlatans. At some point, good sense will prevail and the whole nation will come to realise that the only hope for Britain's economic future prospects lies in re-joining the USofE, even without any discount.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

ise that the only hope for Britain's economic future prospects lies in re-joining the USofE, even without any discount.

we only need to stay in the Single Market and VAT area.
Joining the EEA like Norway is the way to keep us in the SM without giving in to EU self marketing.
Italy should do same, leave the EU and join the EEA.

 

[ianboydsnr]

Nope! To understand the potential catastrophe this announcement presents would be to admit that 'Brexit' is a bad idea but those who stand to increase their personal fortunes will persevere with the headlong rush to crash out of the EU, regardless.

The thickos who supported the fascist rabblerousers like Farage, Johnson, Gove, Davis and Fox because of their racist outpourings about immigration and lies about the aims and structures of the EU will also continue to support 'Brexit' for all the worst reasons imaginable.

It may well be in the long-term interest of the country to crash out and let the suffering begin as eventually, the thickos will come to realise that they have been hoodwinked by a bunch of multi-millionaire charlatans. At some point, good sense will prevail and the whole nation will come to realise that the only hope for Britain's economic future prospects lies in re-joining the USofE, even without any discount.

Tom

Calling people thicko’s and racists helps no one, it’s certainly not conductive to convincing people that they have made a mistake, and that they should accept us staying in.

 

[flecc]

From the Express
"
EU has 'lit a BOMB' underneath car manufacturing as Europe told NOT to use UK parts
THE EU has “lit a bomb” underneath the car manufacturing industry as European governments are being advised not to use UK parts in vehicles for export ahead of Brexit.
"After Brexit, parts made in the UK no longer count towards this minimum production in the European Union."

This in reference to “rules of origin” and “local content” under international trade rules.
A leading car industry executive said not using UK parts for EU exports would be a catastrophe for the British industry.

They said: "The hard Brexiteers have built a bomb under the UK automotive industry and the EU have lit it.”

In order to qualify for EU free trade deals, a certain portion of a product’s parts needs to come from the EU."

This is usually more than half, at around 55 per cent.
What is interesting is that this is presented Factually, without the usual Blame and Fury comments.
Is the penny dropping do you suppose,

The Express is a bit late with this, it was first anounced months ago and was inevitable if we leave without a trade deal.
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