Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

.. my one experience at pembroke docks was not happy., Probably tried to wipe it from my mind... We had to make a speedy departure from france, due to a failure with the Irish Ferries then new Oscar Wilde , and were forced to drive overnight to Caen, then on a brittany ferries to Portsmouth, then a quick drive directly to Pembroke's dock after a night setting the French house to rights for the winter. .. bottom line we were knackered waiting for the boat and junior in the back seat had a bad cough, so every time I manage to doze, I was wakened.. Irish ferries had made an arrangement so it had to be that 3 am sailing.

Have to say, that it quite some drive. Was that in the past few years? The roads from the end of the M4 onward are now amazingly good - to Pembroke Dock. Sure, they get busy at times, but they are generally smooth and well thought out. On my first ever trip down here I kept expecting the roads to deteriorate - yet they kept going right down to the edge of Pembroke Dock itself. (Where they are now doing major improvements!)

 

[oldgroaner]

Lord Nigel speaks in the Telegraph
"
By defying Brexit, the Lords shows what a travesty British democracy has become

Another idiot who hasn't the slightest notion what the word democracy
means, and got involved with the likes of Cambridge Analytica with the intent to skew the results of the referendum.
You are one of the causes Nigel, not one of the cures.

 

[oldtom]

Lord Nigel speaks in the Telegraph
"
By defying Brexit, the Lords shows what a travesty British democracy has become

Another idiot who hasn't the slightest notion what the word democracy
means, and got involved with the likes of Cambridge Analytica with the intent to skew the results of the referendum.
You are one of the causes Nigel, not one of the cures.

The parliamentary camp is simply a form of theatre for second-rate actors, providing ample opportunity to pontificate about anything that takes their fancy. It is, however, much more lucrative than the acting business for the most part as there is generally no 'I'm between jobs at the moment, darling' time and the pantomime season is pretty well year-round.

While other 'wannabe' and failed actors have to find work such as conducting tours around London, while they wait for that phone call from their agent, those ham actors on the parliamentary stage not only get a salary, they also have an unbelievable expense account.....and they never have to play the back end of a horse!

I love the bit from 'Fartage' complaining about democracy - such hypocrisy! I think the referendum demonstrated just what a farce parliament is in this so-called monarchical democracy as we may as well dispense with it and employ Facebook/Google/Apple or any such high-tech company to conduct ballots online on any or all major issues. An online poll may well have prevented British forces bombing places in the middle-east, places with no way of defending themselves, no anti-aircraft or anti-missile protection systems in place.

The only reason we are not bombing Russia is because we are bullies and we don't pick fights with big boys.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43967903

it seems to me that could well be the moment that TM shows JRM some teeth. The 30-page letter they come out with clearly shows that they are not interested in doing a deal with the EU.

 

[oldgroaner]

What she should be saying is that the leave camp said we would remain in the single market and the customs union, why are you demanding something the Brexiter voters voted against?
Where is your mandate from the people?

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[Danidl]

It was the first year that the Oscar Wilde ferry was in service by Irish ferries , so I reckon 2007. There was teething trouble and they got the water tanks and the fuel tanks mixed up...... So it was out of service for a week or so... In fairness they organised free travel back via the other carriers ... To rosslare, and eventually gave a voucher for 200 euro, which would have been about a third of the ticket cost anyway my memories of Pembroke Dock are coloured!!!.

 

[Woosh]

What she should be saying is that the leave camp said we would remain in the single market and the customs union, why are you demanding something the Brexiter voters voted against?
Where is your mandate from the people?

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At least they all have something in common: remainers don't want any deal because they'd rather reverse brexit, leavers don't want any deal either because they say a deal is not equal to leaving.
TM is the only one who needs or wants a deal to keep the show on the road.

 

[Kudoscycles]

The world must be laughing at us. We make a decision and 15 months later our government are still arguing about what we want.
I understand that the 60 ultra Brexiteers have sent a letter (30 pages) that if she goes for a custom partnership they wont support it. But their numbers just dont add up if they try to out TM surely the rest of the Tories will support her,so their letter is toilet paper!!!
It seems that the custom partnership is not well received by the EU,they dont trust us to collect the duty (there is history of our customs failing to collect 1.7 billion euros duty on jeans and textiles).
It seems inevitable that we are going to have to stay in some form of customs union,Liam Fox will resign-no loss there.
TM will have to show some teeth and tell the 60 Tory right wingers where to go....big bust up in the Tory party coming,that was inevitable after Cameron lost the referendum. I can see us crashing out of the EU,not because we want to but because of the in-fighting causing the destruction of the government.
To talk about e-bikes,I have just returned from China,I spoke to some of my suppliers at the Canton Fair....most have given up supplying to Europe due to the anti dumping duty and registration,now concentrating on the US,some of the bigger ones are looking at assembling in Europe,Portugal seems a favoured country.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

It was the first year that the Oscar Wilde ferry was in service by Irish ferries , so I reckon 2007. There was teething trouble and they got the water tanks and the fuel tanks mixed up......

French union members?
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[Danidl]

French union members?
.

.. not being racist, and I like the staff on the Irish ferries boat, but more like polish plumbers .
Another time we had to race from roscoff to Cherbourg and back again because of a blockade by French fishermen. .. they had made an agreement to allow the boat to dock for a limited time at roscoff, when it was scheduled for Cherbourg

 

[anotherkiwi]

The world must be laughing at us. We make a decision and 15 months later our government are still arguing about what we want.
I understand that the 60 ultra Brexiteers have sent a letter (30 pages) that if she goes for a custom partnership they wont support it. But their numbers just dont add up if they try to out TM surely the rest of the Tories will support her,so their letter is toilet paper!!!
It seems that the custom partnership is not well received by the EU,they dont trust us to collect the duty (there is history of our customs failing to collect 1.7 billion euros duty on jeans and textiles).
It seems inevitable that we are going to have to stay in some form of customs union,Liam Fox will resign-no loss there.
TM will have to show some teeth and tell the 60 Tory right wingers where to go....big bust up in the Tory party coming,that was inevitable after Cameron lost the referendum. I can see us crashing out of the EU,not because we want to but because of the in-fighting causing the destruction of the government.
To talk about e-bikes,I have just returned from China,I spoke to some of my suppliers at the Canton Fair....most have given up supplying to Europe due to the anti dumping duty and registration,now concentrating on the US,some of the bigger ones are looking at assembling in Europe,Portugal seems a favoured country.
KudosDave

Wasn't Portugal on the short list of EU countries on the way down the drain with Greece? They voted in a socialist government which got rid of the austerity program and since have been doing quite well.

 

[flecc]

Wasn't Portugal on the short list of EU countries on the way down the drain with Greece? They voted in a socialist government which got rid of the austerity program and since have been doing quite well.

Indeed, and what we need to do in the UK in preference to leaving the EU.

And Greece is also recovering well, their economy improving quarter by quarter throughout 2017 and growing faster than the UK.
.

 

[Danidl]

Indeed, and what we need to do in the UK in preference to leaving the EU.

And Greece is also recovering well, their economy improving quarter by quarter throughout 2017 and growing faster than the UK.
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Evidence that PIGs might fly!. The I stood for Ireland

 

[flecc]

Evidence that PIGs might fly!. The I stood for Ireland

Indeed, Ireland's economy is also growing fast. Earlier in this thread I argued that the doom mongers were wrong about the mainly southern EU members who were struggling at the time.

It was far to early to write off the EU or for it to break up in any way. We in the UK are the ones struggling now, with every prospect of it getting worse.
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[Zlatan]

Perhaps all isn't that rosy in EU...might have to call it PIGGS..?

(FT)

Deutsche Bank Has A New CEO, But Still No Future

Frances Coppola

Last week, after a boardroom battle, Deutsche Bank’s British CEO, John Cryan, was ousted. He was replaced with its German head of retail banking, Christian Sewing, who has spent his entire career at Deutsche Bank. No one was very surprised by Cryan’s departure: the bank’s persistently poor performance had made his survival look increasingly unlikely. But will reshuffling the staff on the Titanic really enable it to avoid the iceberg?

???

 

[flecc]

Perhaps all isn't that rosy in EU...might have to call it PIGGS..?

Deutsche Bank Has A New CEO, But Still No Future

One German bank isn't the EU, just a tiny part of it. Germany is doing well anyway, so yes, PIGGs it is, Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Germany all doing increasingly well and growing much faster than us. Completely the opposite of all the past doom mongering about them.

I know this goes against all your past predictions, but the EU will continue to succeed and we will increasingly go downhill. Unless of course we give Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnall a chance to regrow our economy in the way those PIGGs have, and eventually rejoin the EU.

We can't crow about Deutsche Banks consistently poor performance since we had a hand in it. Home Secretary and ex-banker Sajid Javid was on Deutsche Bank's main board after previously heading their Asia division. As an ex banker maybe his next post will be Chancellor of the Exchequer, since we seem so good at picking losers.
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[oldgroaner]

From the Express
"
'Time is running out' Javid CRUSHES May's plans for EU customs partnership in Brexit row
BREXIT-backing ministers and newly appointed Home Secretary Sajid Javid declared victory tonight after a crunch Cabinet meeting failed to back Theresa May's plan for a "customs partnership" with Brussels.

And from the Daily Mail
May 'caves in to Tory Brexiteers': Customs partnership looks dead in the water after Sajid Javid tips the balance against the Prime Minister - just two days after she appointed him Home Secretary

Arguing about the deckchairs on the Titanic again?, what matters is what the EU requires, not what these clowns agree on!

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Daily Mail
"
Data firm Cambridge Analytica closes down in the wake of its role in the Facebook information-selling scandal with its name plate already stripped from its London HQ

• SCL Group founder Nigel Oakes confirmed that the company will close down
• The decision was reportedly made because of a loss of clients and legal fees
• Cambridge Analytica at the centre of improper use of 87m Facebook users' data

SCL Group, parent company of Cambridge Analytica, is closing in the wake of rising legal costs in the Facebook investigation and loss of clients.


As Mrs Brown would say
"That's nice."

 

[oldgroaner]

Also from the mail
"
Sajid Javid demands Jeremy Corbyn denounce his supporters for branding him a 'coconut' and 'Uncle Tom' since his appointment as Home Secretary

• Mr Javid was the victim of ethnic slurs suggesting he had betrayed his heritage
• Labour party members and Corbyn supporters were among those to target him
• It comes as Mr Corbyn is dogged by claims of anti-Semitism in the Labour party

And Jeremy will simply say "I denounce racist remarks"
End of story.

 

[oyster]

Data firm Cambridge Analytica closes down

Cambridge Analytica dismantled for good? Nope: It just changed its name to Emerdata
Shock shutdown – THE TRUTH
By Shaun Nichols in San Francisco 2 May 2018 at 20:29
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/02/cambridge_analytica_shutdown/

Hang on a mo, Geronimo. Looks like a vampire - won't lie down and die.