"you might as well have a Corbyn gov. pursuing its anti-Unionist policies as have a Conservative gov. doing it by a different means" @NigelDoddsDUP
very true Nigel - so lets see who blinks first??!!
Brexit, for once some facts.
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very true Nigel - so lets see who blinks first??!!
as much as you would want a solution that respects the wish of the 48%, a soft brexit is a flexible solution, recognising the wish of half the voters to leave and minimising the adverse effect on our economy.
Basically, you tone down the rhetoric of leavers to something manageable.
when I am in Southend, I feel British, when I am in France, I lapse back to the old time.Is that your English "we" or your French "we"?
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I want a solution that is best for the nation, not the 1% at the top
Brexit will not deliver that, and nobody can say it will. therefore it is a grave error of judgement to continue with this mad project.
Where does the flexibility come in for the average person? the only winners have offshore bank accounts.
And never mind the fact that it is just a dead end, leading to obscurity for the nation, and no future worthy of the name.
Perhaps any nation foolish enough to think they can go it alone doesn't deserve a better future, after all they are clearly determined to live in the past.
Under the thumb of the elite.
Ironic that this is exactly the opposite of what the Brexit voters thought they had voted for and been promised.
When the penny finally drops a referendum won't buy peace.
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I think the priority is to cancel the EU membership, the rest can be fudged if necessary to reduce the economic impact.
Over time, we will be less reliant on the EU27.
Which is so soft a Brexit and entirely under EU rules that it's really not worth leaving the EU.
Of course Norway's position is somewhat different from ours. They have a common land border with Russia, possess considerable wealth in their seas in both fish and gas and have a tiny population. For their own safety a form of close union with the EU and NATO membership is very desirable, and in fact their government tried to get approval for full EU membership. Unfortunately their public in a referendum wouldn't take that last very small step.
Our best variant of the Norway model is to stay in the EU.
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It is the kind of country where they fly the flag in front of the house. Just in case you mistakenly think you are still in Sweden
yes, it still is. We need to stay close but become less dependent on the EU27. The way to do that is to keep all the trading arrangements we have with EU27 and 65 other countries, and look for new opportunities where the EU has not got FTAs already.
Just in case anyone has forgotten about the people in America with whom our fascist, pro-'Brexit' proponents advocate having closer ties, one of their own has this warning for the apathetic:
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Got a list of countries for us? What are you going to sell them? If, for example, I had been a NZ business man and if you gave me access to a market of 500 million clients on one hand and a market of 50 million clients on the other at me, which one do you think I would invest most commercial efforts in?
Time to wake up. Trade is about buying at "x" and selling at "y" with profit margin "z". Today's market means I don't have to buy from the UK at "y", I can buy direct from China at "x". Or I can buy from inside the EU at "z" and have the benefit of consumer protection, my product is guaranteed for 12 full months. There is also some guarantee that the product meets certain quality specs.
What benefit is the UK going to offer me as a client in the future:
- better quality?
- consumer protection?
- same price as going direct to the source in China?
The lunatic woman supposedly leading the country towards a better future while ordering the bombing of Syrian targets in concert with France at the behest of the USA, really ought to be ripped apart in the Commons because, just like 'Brexit', the story about Syria is based on lies, very deliberate lies.......
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Who is purportedly in charge of the government - which looks now to be close to being both rudderless and ruddless.
Sick and tired of all the facile argument about 'Brexit', the CU and the SM? 'the daily mash' reports on one man's irritation at the news media's coverage of alternative stories, designed to keep our minds off the complete abortion that the government has created out of their handling of the secession business.
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Out of curiosity about ancient Fake news I Googled this
"chemical attack confirmed in douma by opcw"
Nothing yet ..........
"chemical attack confirmed in douma by opcw"
Nothing yet ..........