Brexit, for once some facts.
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But we were talking about concentrations of CO2 being toxic. You could add O2 to prevent suffocation. ( that's actually what first rebreathers did, ie merely replace depleted O2...modern rebreathers add O2 and wash out CO2...)
I,ve actually no idea at what point the CO2 would become dangerous...seems lower than I presumed. ( assuming keeping O2 levels adequate)
you don't die because of 18% oxygen in the air you breathe, otherwise people would die going up in altitude where the oxygen is less, 18% in oxygen is what you get at around 2,000 metre altitude.
You die because of the pH change, CO2 dissolved in the plasma forms carbonic acid, lowering the blood's pH (respiratory acidosis). That will stop many cellular activities, you'll fall into a coma then die.
I can't wait to hear how Mrs Maybe is going to pull off this Irish border trick she has in mind. This is what she had to say two days before the referendum:
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I don't think she has any trick. She will play the patriotic tune, no UK PM can accept such an EU diktat, veer off the subject of the Irish border and move on to a shiny future of frictionless trade with the rest of the world.
The problem with the people who sell such a vision is that they don't tell the public that there is no functioning single market in the rest of the world, just look at US/Mexico borders. The only one functioning is the Single Market.
I agree with you, but the time for fudge has passed. That was the sole purpose of the eu "backstop" statement.
The wisest course of action , and in my opinion the more honourable whould be to declare this circle cannot be squared, and state " look I know it's not what you voted for , but now that the costs and operating parameters are becoming clearer, do you really want to go through with it , i am proposing a free vote in parliament, for having an another referendum and come hell or high water we will abide by that wish. "
that will be her letter of resignation.
There will be plenty of candidates who will claim that circling the square is the problem for the EU because the EU needs us and our money more than we need them.
Tony Blair:
“The one thing I’m absolutely certain of political, I’m certain of this, is any compromise that involves us abiding by European rules outside of Europe is never going to attract the British people,”
I am not sure he's right on this. He means we have to choose between brexit and remain, not inside the CU or SM and outside the EU (eg EFTA or Turkey).
The potential unrest would be lesser if UK follows brexit through compared to cancelling A50. There won't be any unrest if we stay in a CU or seek membership of EFTA because that will have parliamentary support.
“The one thing I’m absolutely certain of political, I’m certain of this, is any compromise that involves us abiding by European rules outside of Europe is never going to attract the British people,”
I am not sure he's right on this. He means we have to choose between brexit and remain, not inside the CU or SM and outside the EU (eg EFTA or Turkey).
The potential unrest would be lesser if UK follows brexit through compared to cancelling A50. There won't be any unrest if we stay in a CU or seek membership of EFTA because that will have parliamentary support.
It comes as no surprise, does it? some of us have been warning of trouble to come right from before the Refendum.
If we fail to cancel Brexit and weather the Public reaction
Then the consequences in due course will make us wish we had done so.
A truly Statesman like reaction would simply to declare it's a non starter, and ask for Parliament to vote to cancel Brexit as not in the National Interest.
Which could be better described as 'signing her own death warrant' but maybe she thinks she is indestructible - if so, she has forgotten just how ruthless the parliamentary party can be, witness IDS, William Hague, Michael Howard for example.
I'm sure they will direct her to the upper chamber once they decide she is of no further use to them.
Tom
Meanwhile, the lies are still being purveyed by the leading villains of the whole fiasco:
Oh, what a silly mistake to make - or was it a junior researcher's fault?
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Oh, what a silly mistake to make - or was it a junior researcher's fault?
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He can't be that stupid!........Oh, yes he can!
The garden bridge.......the airport in the middle of the Thames estuary......'Brexit'.......and those are just for starters!
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The garden bridge.......the airport in the middle of the Thames estuary......'Brexit'.......and those are just for starters!
Tom
Just going back to CO2...done a little reading of NCB / diving/ medical emergency ...
They seem to view concentrations under 5% ( by volume I,d assume) as none toxic. Cause for concern starts around 10% ( possible asphyxiation and acidosis around this value, dependant on %age O2)
Death can be caused at values over 14% if O2 levels are sub normal..Immaterial to O2 levels concentrations of over 26% are likely to cause death.
Apparently smokers are more tolerant to CO2, as are younger folk....I cant find any evidence suggesting levels under 5% are dangerous???( as long as the %age O2 is high enough to support life, which is different)
They seem to view concentrations under 5% ( by volume I,d assume) as none toxic. Cause for concern starts around 10% ( possible asphyxiation and acidosis around this value, dependant on %age O2)
Death can be caused at values over 14% if O2 levels are sub normal..Immaterial to O2 levels concentrations of over 26% are likely to cause death.
Apparently smokers are more tolerant to CO2, as are younger folk....I cant find any evidence suggesting levels under 5% are dangerous???( as long as the %age O2 is high enough to support life, which is different)
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He shouldn't have listened to that naughty Mea Culpa Woman, should he?
Does anyone know if that was his Nanny's name?
I disagreed that it was an acceptable reply, since it was completely off subject.
The subject was whether e-cars in London were solely the province of the Tesla owning wealthy as Oyster claimed, and my reply to him refuted that with undeniable proof.
Your response brought in charge points in Hull and charge times there, having no relationship whatsoever to the subject.
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London must indeed be a wonderful place if the streets are paved in Electric Car charging points!
Which i tried to indicate was a common problem