we are not competitive in most areas inside the single market. If we don't get out of the SM, it'll be slow drowning, the only thing that may still survive 50 years from now may just be the casinos.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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And wil be even less competitive outside, which is why we joined in the first place, outside we will be speaking Mandarin in 50 years time with English as a second language.
No, we are more competitive outside the EU. Inside the EU, Germany, France, Italy etc do better on productivity than us. Just look at the strength of the Euro, and even after devaluation, they still sell more goods to us than us to them. We need some non tariff barriers really to even up.
So little old the UK, is now going to go up against, the EU, China, the US and Russia... in trade and judging by the news this morning, military too.
Do you not think we might be biting off more than we can chew.
Perhaps in order to go up against the US / Russia / China we should team up with some of our close neighbours and form a buying group / sales team, and may team up a bit on defense because we're stronger together... maybe some kind of union across Europe, what could we call it??
Oh but wait, no we'll be stronger on our own won't we... said no one ever.
we have a trade surplus outside the EU27 and defitcit with the EU27. If we have some non tariff barriers with EU27, it will even out.
Ipsos Mori poll:
When offered a choice of four varieties of Brexit, ranging from single market membership to no deal, 80% of Tory MPs backed the second-softest option of a comprehensive trade deal, aligning with EU rules – 40% supported this on the Labour side, with 56% seeking single market access.
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/survey-mps-european-union
When offered a choice of four varieties of Brexit, ranging from single market membership to no deal, 80% of Tory MPs backed the second-softest option of a comprehensive trade deal, aligning with EU rules – 40% supported this on the Labour side, with 56% seeking single market access.
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/survey-mps-european-union
Do you know the figures when you exclude the trade deals, including Free Trade deals that being in the EU28 gives us access to? Because don't forget we're leaving them too.
More Brexit Woe's.
After some reports on weekend news feed's it would appear Nigel Farage is making a return to full-time UK politics, not under the UKIP banner, but forming a new party. Insider's, apparently, claim that after a high level meeting with backers at a Brighton Travel Lodge, the new party will be named; "The Unified Right Democrats. Farage, the Norman Wisdom of British politics, would not be drawn on this by the BBC's ever belligerent Nick Robinson, but did agree that a freshly formed T.U.R.D. party would be a warm welcome, and attract an ever increasing swarm of disgruntled Brexiteers and UKIP members. It remains to be seen if the Great British public will avoid " this one" on the great pavement of life, and will the major parties "bag it" in its infancy, or allow it to become a toxic festering mess of UKIP ?
After some reports on weekend news feed's it would appear Nigel Farage is making a return to full-time UK politics, not under the UKIP banner, but forming a new party. Insider's, apparently, claim that after a high level meeting with backers at a Brighton Travel Lodge, the new party will be named; "The Unified Right Democrats. Farage, the Norman Wisdom of British politics, would not be drawn on this by the BBC's ever belligerent Nick Robinson, but did agree that a freshly formed T.U.R.D. party would be a warm welcome, and attract an ever increasing swarm of disgruntled Brexiteers and UKIP members. It remains to be seen if the Great British public will avoid " this one" on the great pavement of life, and will the major parties "bag it" in its infancy, or allow it to become a toxic festering mess of UKIP ?
I think you have completely lost the plot! In your first 40 words, you describe a situation which resembles a 'Remainer's fantasy then, having plucked your statistics from god knows where, you arrive at a conclusion wholly incompatible with your stats.......amazing!
There are lies, damned lied and statistics.
Tom
you can't just exclude these things. We don't know what percentage attributable to brexit, I suspect it will relate to the relative extra cost for paperwork on imports and exports. As these costs come down over time, the effect will diminish and the natural gravity will come back to where it (trade weight) was.
there are plenty of polls. If you are interested, read their results and post here.
I challenge you to find a poll that contradicts that post.
Read my post about Ipsos Mori's poll of MPs.
I'm not excluding anything, I asked you a question.
You said we had a trade surplus when you looked at the countries outside the EU27. So I'm simply asking, if you know if we have a trade surplus outside the countries that being in the EU28 gives us preferential access to.
How do you feel about the CBI statements.
https://news.sky.com/story/time-running-out-for-brexit-progress-british-industry-group-warns-11216469
It seems like Brexit is still trying to achieve the have cake and eat it ideology.
the second softest brexit, (by a large margin, 80% of MPs have actually a favourable opinion on it) is outside the SM and in the CU.
We continue trading on current terms on goods, except on services where we will have to negotiate with the EU. There will be non tariff barriers on goods though.
You don't see the whole thing moving from, what was
"HARD BREXIT - NO SURRENDER - THIS IS THE UK - RED/WHITE/BLUE BREXIT etc etc etc "
to now a situation where you have someone like Boris saying the CBI is talking nonsense.
What Boris himself has said:
BORIS JOHNSON accused the CBI business group of speaking “nonsense” after it demanded Britain stay in a customs union with the EU post-Brexit.
The Foreign Secretary and Brexit champion said such a position would “effectively” mean Britain staying in the EU and stop the PM from signing new free trade deals with the US and the rest of the world.
I think you'll find that by a large majority MPs actually had a favourable opinion on staying in the EU.
That was pre-referendum. The latest poll (Ipsos Mori):I think you'll find that by a large majority MPs actually had a favourable opinion on staying in the EU.
"Half (50%) of MPs say they will vote for the UK to remain a member of the EU regardless of any re-negotiated terms of membership, while just over a third (35%) say it depends on the terms of the negotiations. However, there are clear party differences; while almost nine in ten Labour MPs (87%) have already decided that they will vote for the UK to remain, just 11% of Conservative MPs have already decided to vote for the UK to remain. Instead, most Conservatives (61%) say they will decide how to vote after negotiations about the terms of membership, while a fifth (20%) say they will vote for the UK to leave regardless of the renegotiations."
Yes, I know that was pre-referendum, that was my point.
You don't go from being pro-EU to anti it just because some one else is anti it, unless you are a total idiot, just like you don't go from being Anti-EU to pro-EU just because the EU is popular.
So the referendum was a clear choice for MPs, no party line really, so express what they thought was best for the UK.
The majority thought we were best staying.
Woosh
I have utmost respect for your calm replies in the face of such provocation but dont you think all this is rather like Bobby Moore going into Germany's dressing room after the game in 1966 and trying to reason with their players that Geoff Hurst's goal did cross the line.
You really are wasting your time.
BTW it did cross the line..Geoff told me.
Perhaps we should have a referendum to finally decide, but really we know the German's will always dispute the fact...for ever.
I have utmost respect for your calm replies in the face of such provocation but dont you think all this is rather like Bobby Moore going into Germany's dressing room after the game in 1966 and trying to reason with their players that Geoff Hurst's goal did cross the line.
You really are wasting your time.
BTW it did cross the line..Geoff told me.
Perhaps we should have a referendum to finally decide, but really we know the German's will always dispute the fact...for ever.
The constant comparisons to sport are interesting...
If it was discovered after the match in 1966 that both sides cheated / lied, do you think the result would stand?
No I suspect like the Tour de France where most of the top 10 in the Lance years were all cheating... it was wiped from the record.
well I sincerely hope Nige manages to set it up, UKIP does us all a very great service with its public parade of odd racists and ex glamour models and we could do with more