I suspect that many MPs know that there is a cost to brexit which may be higher if we end up with no deal but on the other hand, there are also opportunities, not so much in more trade in the immediate future but the chance to fix the long term decline of our industries and excessive reliance on the casinos/ stock market. That is why 80% would be happy with the second softest option (out of the SM but in the CU) and stay close to membership.
The problem with this pie on the sky is that we are not going to revitalise our industries with no customers, no products and no investments for both those reasons. We had the chance inside the EU, but let foreign companies fill what gaps existed, and that is exactly what will continue to happen.
First of all decision as to wether they cheated is subjective. Anybody with any sense ignores what is written on the sides of buses and we know fir a fact all MP's lie. Its their job.
that's an exaggeration and you know it. Of course we have the same customers, same products. Brexit will hit direct inward investment in the short term when businesses have to work out positives and negatives and that is reflected in the exchange rate, currently at 1GBP = 1.39 USD, to me, that's more or less the right place (and pricing of brexit) until the deal on transition is worked out. I expect the Pound will appreciate further, may be 1.45 USD, when the fog of 2019-2021 will be lifted. Then the issue of economic shock due to brexit is properly understood, ie, about 2%-3%.
What chance was that OG in EU. ??? We have no Uk industry...cars or otherwise.( apart from a few minor / specialist concerns)
Woosh that is pie in the sky thinking. If the UK has a trade deficit, it's because it buys in more than it sells . Unless post Brexit it magically stops needing those items it buys , it still buys them. There is no law which requires the UK to only buy and sell EU, otherwise how could it have a trade surplus with non states?
I suspect we buy components from Germany and integrate them into our products before selling on. After brexit, there will be a little more incentive to make some of it in the UK or buy elsewhere (Korean?).
How many times must I point this out, most of our loss of the industrial base and associated exports was before joining the Common Market, between1950 and the mid 1970s.
Zatlan, in my experience, politicians do not usually lie. They prevaricate, they boast, they explain, they exaggerate, they qualify their committments ..". I would do the following if elected and subject to the suitable .... ". But barefaced lieing is novel at least in the recent past.
Yes but the reason you buy German product, is because you can buy it cheaper than tooling up to make it. Likewise the same British companies could at present buy their widgets from Korea, perhaps with a little bit of tarriff, but the lower wages there make it affordable...
But it wouldn't be from savings on our weekly EU payments since we never paid anything like that. The deliberate lie will always stand as a lie.
Come on Flecc you know full well that's not case at all. Yes, steel industry was in massive decline by 1970 but the coal industry was still biggest employer in country way past 73 and didn't hit massive decline until 84 ?? .
Sorry but anyone with big money can do better for themselves by moving out of the country, and that is exactly what they have been doing for years.
Zatlan, we are continually going around in circles on this one. You accuse the EU of being interventional and simultaneously accuse it on not intervening. Long ago I tried to explain that it has allowed the competent authority in each state to determine local priorities . It assumes goodwill on behalf of the local authority. By " competent", I mean the the authority with first responsibility, not actually their ability.
No I don't know that's not the case, since it simply isn't true. The decline that did all the damage was before joining the EEC.
Do you ever read my posts? or just come out with the first thing that enters your head? where did I state that the EU has helped our industry?
And Danidl
No actually it's you that is completely wrong on that in the sense that we recovered economically even after the loss of industry, had we remained outside the EEC we would have been a basket case
most of us posting here can still do that, brexit changes practically nothing
Foreign Companies Wanted.
