You've said there are 18,000 bike shops.
This is wrong.
According to Halfords own definition of a bike shop, there are 2500.
Its generally agreed in the industry there are about that. I've heard up to 3000 depending on how you define bike shop.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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This is wrong.
According to Halfords own definition of a bike shop, there are 2500.
Its generally agreed in the industry there are about that. I've heard up to 3000 depending on how you define bike shop.
Look, that 'agree' tick you got earlier when you pointed out that I misread was from me. I got the 18,000 figure somewhere, just be a little patient with me, I have to attend to customers between 10AM to 5PM.
Yes it's definitely nothing remotely like 18,000. That would be a bike shop for some 83 UK people who ride a bike. They'd never survive!
Under 3000 seems realistic, a bike shop for 500 or more people riding.
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some numbers of interest:
Bike Moving annual totals (Units to August 2016)
Units imported: 2,969,708
Change YOY: -19.85%
Origin in order of volume: Philippines, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Dem. Kampuchea, Tunisia
Electric Bike Moving annual totals (Units to August 2016)
Units imported: 232,146
Change YOY: +237.94%
Origin in order of volume: China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Germany, UAE
Bike Moving annual totals (Value to August 2016)
Value imported: £349,408,000
Change YOY: -12.25%
Electric Bike Moving annual totals (Value to August 2016)
Value imported: £29,855,000
Change YOY: +144.36%
Bike Moving annual totals (Units to August 2016)
Units imported: 2,969,708
Change YOY: -19.85%
Origin in order of volume: Philippines, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Dem. Kampuchea, Tunisia
Electric Bike Moving annual totals (Units to August 2016)
Units imported: 232,146
Change YOY: +237.94%
Origin in order of volume: China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Germany, UAE
Bike Moving annual totals (Value to August 2016)
Value imported: £349,408,000
Change YOY: -12.25%
Electric Bike Moving annual totals (Value to August 2016)
Value imported: £29,855,000
Change YOY: +144.36%
Very droll! The last thing I would ever do is promote that rag, I use their propaganda against them and you to prove what a fool you have been to trust the brexit lies and false promises that you did.
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UK population: 65.64 millions
Number of doctors (source BMA): 106430
That is one for 617 people.
If you take the figure of 18,000 bike shops, that's one bike shop per 3,647 people (all ages).
Not as far fetched as you suggested.
If you accept Col's figure of 3000, then one bike shop for 21,880 people.
ITS NOT MY FIGURE!!! ITS THE FIGURE FROM THE CYCLE INDUSTRY
I'm just sharing it. I didn't count them!
Halfords say less... 2500.
There is a way in which these two apparently widely different figures can be reconciled. There could well be 18000 outlets where bikes are sold, when you include toy shops, childcare shops, seasonal Christmas shops, garages supermarkets second-hand shops even Argos.. If you restrict the definition to include only those providing full service brake replacement , wheel truing, etc, the numbers will be much less. Probably equivalent to the 2500 3000 mentioned...
My sense of it is that the number of bike shops in France is slowly declining compared to 40 years ago, , but there would still be a couple in every town, but the number of bike outlets is enormous as every supermarket sells bikes and bike parts... Including wheels, full brake kits, as well as the standard brake pads and puncture repair kits. The true bike shops would also be doing things like moped repair and petrol grassmower maintainece
The difference between the two countries is significant. In England, bouyed up by the staggering success of your elite cyclists in the recent Olympics, competitive biking became a leisure or fun activity, not an integral part of life, and therefore a fad. In france it is seen as normal .
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But you promote the damned paper and it seems spend most of your time reading it...or other rubbish like express.
Enraged communists like yourself and Tom dont have a monopoly on disliking propoganda media, its like most of your arguments, based on generalisations and assumption. Disagreeing with you and Tom does not make anybody a tory; right wing; racist or anything of the sort.
Poorly informed insist on putting things in boxes. It makes things simple enough for them to understand.
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You've made a classic mistake Tony.
Since when do the 65 millions in the UK cycle?
In fact some 3% of the UK population who could cycle do so with any degree of regularity.
That's the circa 83 potential customers per bike shop if there were 18,000 shops.
There's some 500 to 600 cyclists per bike shop with under 3000 bike shops. That's still very marginal for survival, but the excess sales of bikes that scarcely get used after purchase keeps them going.
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This is very true. OG is being a bit naughty in trying to portray Brexit as the Tory Masterplan to reduce the population into slavery.
As you correctly point out, the highly privileged Bullingdon Club members David Cameron and George Osbourne where vehemently against leaving the EU, as were a majority of other Tory MPs. Jeremy Corbyn was and is more passionate about leaving the EU than George Osbourne and David Cameron.
Brexit has come about as a result of two abilities in which or MPs seem to be honing their skills, the ability to be selfish and the ability to display gross incompetence. Brexit starts and finishes with selfishness and incompetence, nothing more.
All UK political parties got the Brexit ball rolling through incompetence (NHS, Transport, Banking, Education, The handling of Immigration etc, etc, the list goes on), they threw in a good dose of greed and selfishness (Banking Collapse, Expenses Scandal, 12% Pay Rise and this list goes on and on). They had created fertile ground for a demonstration of dissatisfaction & Nigel Farage tapped into this with his, give the political elite a kicking, Westminster Political Earthquake and take back control tag lines. The timing was perfect and our MPs had set themselves up for this.
As votes ebbed away from the Tory Party, David Cameron was looking at losing power to Labour or having to appease UKIP. So he called a referendum in the hope of clinging on to power (selfishness), he screwed it up (Incompetence).
Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Duncan-Smith & the others see Brexit as their ticket to high office (selfishness) but as we are now finding out, they have no idea what Brexit is. What it will result in, how much it will cost, what they actually want from it or how to negotiate their hand (Incompetence).
So, no sinister tory plot to crush workers, just what its always been, good old-fashioned selfish incompetence on the part of our political classes. Just the same as it has been for a long time and just the same as it will continue to be. There is FA you can do about it, so you may as well forget it.
So OG stop this class war crap. If anything your fantasy "Mill Owners" would want EU membership and free movement of people because it opens up a vast reservoir of hard working, better trained & vastly cheaper labour from Europe. Why wouldn't the "Tyrannic Mill Owner" want that? They do, so that is why your argument falls apart under the briefest of scrutiny.
????You've made a classic mistake Tony.
Since when do the 65 millions in the UK cycle?
In fact some 3% of the UK population who could cycle do so with any degree of regularity.
That's the circa 83 potential customers per bike shop if there were 18,000 shops.
There's some 500 to 600 cyclists per bike shop with under 3000 bike shops. That's still very marginal for survival, but the excess sales of bikes that scarcely get used after purchase keeps them going.
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Isn't the entire population potential customers. That's the idea of marketing, create new ones, not steal current ??
The difference isn't a new one. The success of our elite cyclists is because of this, not the cause of this. In the UK cycling is a sport, not a form of transport. This is also the reason the UK is behind mainland Europe in terms of the number of people riding eBikes, which are historically a utility vehicle. Its only now they are becoming toys (eMTB) that bike shops are starting to look at this market seriously.
Halfords said 2500 independent bike shops besides their 460.
I said 18,000 bike shops, just add up all those argos branches and supermarkets where you can buy a bike.
Not for keeping current bike shops in business! Potential doesn't pay any bills.
In fact our 65 millions aren't potential either, it's 50 millions after deducting the registered disabled and under 10s.
My figures are as accurate as is possible, based on the 3% of the 50 millions who could cycle who do cycle with any degree of frequency.
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This discussion was about bike shops.
They aren't bike shops, they are similar to what we use to call department stores. Next you'll be calling Amazon a bike shop!
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A bike shops primary function is to s
Halfords said... there are over 2,500 bike shops in the UK, the majority of which are independents.
No, again you're not reading things properly.. Your seeing what you want to see.
Halfords said... there are over 2,500 bike shops in the UK, the majority of which are independents.
10% of bike shops closing in the past 12 months is directly related to brexit.No this discussion is about brexit and facts...