I agree, but unfortunately by the time tomorrow morning arrives, events in the Celebrity Big Brother house will have taken priority in the minds of the great British public.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The topic of Brexit has been hijacked both generally and in here. People have made it some kind of class war and although in some cases making valid general points but totally disrelated to Brexit. The entire argument around Brexit being some Tory desired way to enslave the working class is quite ridiculous. The Tories categorically did not want Brexit so how on earth after the demise of Camaron, Osborn and the lessening of the tory majority, with the extreme left still saying they would leave how Tom and OG can still see Brexit as a Tory construct is barmy.
Instead of going on and on and on about the grinding poverty and unfairness of our society all should try and limit their posts to real Brexit issues. It has got rather boring seeing a great thread taken over as some outpost of AAV ( or whatever)
Yes, we all know some tories can be bastards.
We don't even know where Labour stand. Perhaps we should by now.
In or out of EU the unfairness will be unchanged. In or out we will be a capitalist society in a capitalist world. There simply I no point reposting AAV or OG reposting todays Daily Mail or Express garbage. If I wanted to read AAV, Daily Mail or Express I,d read them at source. They are all equally distorted.
Instead of going on and on and on about the grinding poverty and unfairness of our society all should try and limit their posts to real Brexit issues. It has got rather boring seeing a great thread taken over as some outpost of AAV ( or whatever)
Yes, we all know some tories can be bastards.
We don't even know where Labour stand. Perhaps we should by now.
In or out of EU the unfairness will be unchanged. In or out we will be a capitalist society in a capitalist world. There simply I no point reposting AAV or OG reposting todays Daily Mail or Express garbage. If I wanted to read AAV, Daily Mail or Express I,d read them at source. They are all equally distorted.
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I largely agree, but the trouble is the boundaries are blurred.
Brexit is political and its issues involve commercial ones and commercial issues merge into political and legal ones, especially when government is so involved in commerce in many tangled ways. Taxation and tax avoidance spread across all and are inextricably involved.
Of course this is what makes the whole process of leaving the union so nightmarishly difficult, each factor cannot be viewed in isolation.
So discussing Brexit cannot exclude governance, politics, law or commerce. Ideally restraint should be practiced when posting, but politics and restraint are unhappy bedfellows so rarely exist together.
Viz. Prime Ministers Question Time.
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shoulder to shoulder with the tories.
both leaderships entertain the idea that we can have cake and eating it.
the reasonable elements of both parties are clearly sidelined.
I do and have posted it more than once. They stand on the fence.
Wise old bird that he is, Jeremy Corbyn avoids saying he strongly supports exiting the EU since that would upset the middle class remainers he needs for election. And he avoids backing remain since that would upset his core support who are mostly Brexiters.
So he calmly stands neutrally in the middle and occasionally makes popular utterances on taxation, social affairs, health and housing to keep the electorate onside.
That makes him the cleverest of the bunch, not like Cameron who sealed his own fate, not like May who tied herself too tightly to hard Brexit, not like Fallon who managed to upset everyone.
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in a perverse way, having cake and eating it may turn out to be the right policy to get the right result for brexit (a soft brexit). If you watch the polls, reality (as it goes against having cake and eating it) does the work for the remainers' camp, slowly reversing the majority toward remain or soft brexit.
At home, we mostly consume coffee packed under Italian brands. Wonder how much of the 560,000 tonnes imported to Italy is then exported from Italy?Clearly data is going to be a bit out of date, but that was the best I could find last night when I had a quick look.
I've found this from 2016 now, which shows, Brazil is still more than Vietnam.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/EDN-20170929-1
Interestingly the amount imported into the EU is only up 10% on 10 years ago. So the amount of coffee we're drinking doesn't seem to be going up dramatically... just perhaps the way we drink it and the amount we pay for it.
"In 2016, the European Union (EU) imported almost 3 million tonnes of coffee from abroad, 10% more than 10 years ago. The imports were worth €6.9 billion."
Who is Miss Anthropy ?
But now I,ve looked up who she is and what she stands for I agree.
Still defending the indefensible? our point is that the bet you took voting for Brexit placed all power into the hands of the worst Government and opposition the nation has ever had, and made the future of the Nation look no better that the management of Carillion has proved.
Of course Brexit is a Tory construct even you should be able to see that, let me remind you it was an attempt to see off a lunatic faction in the Tory Party that failed.
Really you fail utterly to understand the damage the Brexit vote has done, because like the government, you want to deny responsibility.
All that happens now is coloured by Brexit whatever you think, as it reflects on the competence of the government and in every case shows that ditching the EU to face the future under this regime as a huge error that you have made.
As to reposting Daily Mail and Express Garbage, that's simply a case of reminding you what you of the nature of the political sharks you have been backing in error.
A Dislike of humankind is something you agree with?
From the Telegraph
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Boris Johnson: £5.2bn 'Brexit dividend' for NHS – or face defeat by Jeremy Corbyn
This is the pillock that led the charge for Brexit, and sees only the success of the Tory Party as important, not the future of the country.
Good old "Buy Votes" rides again.
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Boris Johnson: £5.2bn 'Brexit dividend' for NHS – or face defeat by Jeremy Corbyn
This is the pillock that led the charge for Brexit, and sees only the success of the Tory Party as important, not the future of the country.
Good old "Buy Votes" rides again.
Depends on how you analyse the meaning and portray such.
"Misanthropy is the general dislike, distrust or contempt of human nature ".
Notice the lack of the word " hatred".
Like politicians things can be taken out of context, and context can be " manipulated " to suit "your" ends.
Sorry I thought I made my position clear? These are not rumours!
I absolutely agree Col, this is becoming more and more evident every day. To survive specialist ebike manufacturers, even those that drove the revolution in the early days have to become very product specific and develop a niche as Go Cycle have done.
yes they are, David.
Otherwise, you can refer to these companies and brands by their proper names.
Of course not. You can decided if I am telling the truth or not.
Sorry, but that would be unprofessional and not fair. I know of a good number of bicycles shops that are about to close. But I'm not going to post their names, because they might change their minds, they might come into some cash and stay open. Things can change, but that doesn't change the fact that as it stands, they have a date in mind of when they are planning to close because things aren't working for them.
Noam Chomsky is pushing 90 years of age so he has been around long enough to witness many changes in American society and important events in many other parts of the world.
One thing he recognised a long time ago is how socialism has been misused by powerful people to support the elite rather than the fundamental idea that true and fair democracy could be sustained and no-one would starve. He had this to say on the matter:
Aneurin Bevan was another with great insight and perception and his words on poverty remain true to this day:
The world is in a mess, not because poor people start wars or drain the planet's resources but because rich people's greed knows no bounds.
Tom
One thing he recognised a long time ago is how socialism has been misused by powerful people to support the elite rather than the fundamental idea that true and fair democracy could be sustained and no-one would starve. He had this to say on the matter:
Aneurin Bevan was another with great insight and perception and his words on poverty remain true to this day:
The world is in a mess, not because poor people start wars or drain the planet's resources but because rich people's greed knows no bounds.
Tom
Currently we are living in uncertain times. From my own experience, diversification spreads the risk, and I certainly wouldn't consider being an "e-bike" only retailer. A few years ago, as part of my promotion for alternative power supplies, I added a full size electric scooter to my display. It was, at the time, a current model Suzuki Katana scooter, modified by a German company. The price compared to the original was prohibitive and the resale value was close to zero. The same to a certain extent applies to e-bikes. With increasing, in my opinion, unnecessary complexity, pushing up cost, and the economy not buoyant, it makes e-bikes an "unaffordable" luxury.