i also wish more people thought about it BEFORE they voted for it. I'm sick of seeing videos of people who voted leave for reasons like this!
The will of the people... can be wrong.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The will of the people... can be wrong.
For once you are right, it isn't, never has been and never will be . There are intrinsic reasons to leave. ( Read Peter Hargreaves)
ah, if only everyone had voted for those reasons.
I'll post this again from up this way this week.
and just to be clear about it..... Since Barnsley has a higher level of residents born in the UK than the national average and a lower rate of residents either born in other EU countries or outside ... this fear is based on what??
So you base your opinion about my voting on a lady from Barnsley ? Hows that work ???
You should take what TM and David Davis say as truthfully the UK position.
We are looking for a deal more than Canada, less than Norway, a bit like Switzerland - a bespoke deal.
The EU wants about £60 billions. It isn't exactly a ransom, most of it can be justified liabilities. The last point is important. Although our net contribution is roughly 11 billions a year, we build up liabilities years after years, because the EU is ambitious, it plans to spend for ever more.
When you add the extra liabilities, about £4 billions a year, plus we can't decide on who will get EU money, there is a clear benefit to brexit regarding how the £26 billions that we commit to the EU project each year will be spent post brexit.
Most of us can agree at least on trade with the EU. 700 billions a year employ a lot of people on both sides and that volume of trade will grow for the foreseeable future.
So paying £60 billions where we know most of it are real liabilities for a trade deal is good business.
no no no... I'm saying there are a % of people who voted for basic racist or ignorant reasons, and this % could have been what swung it in such a narrow majority.
I've met a couple of people who had one good reason to leave, the problem is I'm sure my wife could find more than one reason to leave me. But she doesn't leave because there are many reasons to stay. One reason, or even some reasons to leave, doesn't mean leaving is better than staying.
I believe prior to the ref Peter Hargreaves funded letters to 15 million voters. There isn't a single mention , reference or implication of a racial nature. If I post that letter 15 million times will it make remainers accept that many many leavers voted leave with absolutely no racist motivation.
As for your reasoning I could find somebody who voted to remain for some prejudiced reason. Its a stupid argument to make. Because one person votes leave for a certain ( incorrect BTW) reason so must si many more. The lady in question could quite easily be a remainer...muddying the water.. You still haven't got a clue either which way she voted or why !!!
As for your reasoning I could find somebody who voted to remain for some prejudiced reason. Its a stupid argument to make. Because one person votes leave for a certain ( incorrect BTW) reason so must si many more. The lady in question could quite easily be a remainer...muddying the water.. You still haven't got a clue either which way she voted or why !!!
I'll cut your post of at this point and ask... at what point in time do you want me to take their postition.
Last year? maybe?
15 million wouldn't have won though would it!
They needed the support of the racists to beat the 16 million remain vote
You've added another bit to your post, which I do agree with really. Its the problem with asking such a serious important question. Its why the referendum was only ever supposed to be advisory. A barometer of public opinion etc etc.
Bet she can find loads, you,ve exhibited a few on here tonight. The 16 million racists for a start is pathetic. Its not worth responding to. BFN.
that point of view is not incompatible with what the UK is seeking.I'll cut your post of at this point and ask... at what point in time do you want me to take their postition.
Last year? maybe?
As I said, the UK will place citizens right and security cooperation above trade. We'll will probably sort out citizens rights, euratom, open skies, europol, erasmus etc and 2 year transition before October 2018.
The trade deal will be completed in the transition period.
Pensioners will be able to retire to Spain, the Pound will get back to pre vote level etc, people's life won't be disrupted further. Not much to worry about.
Now that is cloud cuckoo land.
A Swiss style trade deal within a two year transition period?
That will only just begin the bargaining, look how long we've been in the Brexit negotiations with them only now starting seriously after months of no progress.
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Has your friend PH said that the UK will prosper or has he said that he will prosper?.
There would or should be only one reason for voting remain or leave, do you think your country would be better? Better defined in any terms you choose
What this thread has attempted to show over 20,000 posts and 1200 pages is that leaving Is not simple. After so many months of negotiation, nothing has been agreed.
Your ability to avoid seeing the obvious is incredible.
The responsibility for the present situation is entirely the responsibility of the leave voters.
First of of all had the vote gone the other way there would not have been any dissent would there from Remain Voters?
Secondly they have been ignored and vilified by the Murdoch Press and other Media on a daily basis .
Yet you persist with your inverted logic, blaming them where the situation would not be any different if the Remainers had never spoken a word.
It's a disaster and entirely due to the vote to leave, and for no other reason.
You Broke it, you own it.
From the Telegraph
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[URL='http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/eu-breaks-brexit-deadlock-save-theresa-may-amid-fears-could/']EU breaks Brexit deadlock to save Theresa May amid fears she could be ousted from No10[/URL]
Apparently being Pathetic and relying on Charity has replaced "Strong and stable" the old Navajo Indian trick of Screaming and begging works again.
What a situation where we are basically begging.
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[URL='http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/eu-breaks-brexit-deadlock-save-theresa-may-amid-fears-could/']EU breaks Brexit deadlock to save Theresa May amid fears she could be ousted from No10[/URL]
Apparently being Pathetic and relying on Charity has replaced "Strong and stable" the old Navajo Indian trick of Screaming and begging works again.
What a situation where we are basically begging.
Are you sure you're not a writer? That little story is make-believe and I think you just made it up.
Tom
Such bigoted ignorance! Did the producer deliberately leave out all those interviewed who were pro-remain or am I to believe that this selected clip is typical of all Barnsley people......or all Yorkshire folk.....or all England? I couldn't help but notice the reference from at least one responder to England and the English language as if there is no United Kingdom.
I squirm watching that kind of material and it makes me ashamed to be British.
Tom
Philip Hammond wanted 4 years instead of two.
My guess we'll have completed half in the two years then either try that or ask for 2 more years transitioning.
That is a stupid argument. You could say either side needed the support of some minority group. And it assumes racists are unique to leave, which by any objective criteria is not the case.15 million wouldn't have won though would it!
They needed the support of the racists to beat the 16 million remain vote
You've added another bit to your post, which I do agree with really. Its the problem with asking such a serious important question. Its why the referendum was only ever supposed to be advisory. A barometer of public opinion etc etc.
Its all part of the smear and fear campaign remainers have either produced or bought into. Its actually both ironic and sad. Ironic because its remain who insist leave have been misled and sad because its desperate , repetitive and wrong.
Its also very insulting and inflammatory. Its the usual start of argument and eventually will cause violence. Nobody likes to be labelled but you insist on doing so. Why ?
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