Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

I don't work at foodbanks but I do useful work, fixing broken bikes. It may be not as noble in your eyes as a few shifts in a foodbank but to me, it's just as courageous if not more so. It's the putting your back in to the job, the hours, the days, the weeks, the years, the paying your taxes that count.

Presumably, you imagine that those who give of their time and pay their own expenses do not also put in hours at work to pay their bills and put food on the table?

Is it only your personal wealth expansion and the continuation of that which motivates you? Frankly, I cannot equate the word, 'courageous' with the business of flogging and mending cheap Chinese bikes for profit. I guess it rather sums up your perspective on the elitist society of the UK - I'm all right Jack!

Tom

 

[Woosh]

the courage is in the number of hours and years oldtom.
I thought you could have understood what I meant, but perhaps you chose not to.

 

[Woosh]

flogging and mending cheap Chinese bikes

that is totally uncivil and unnecessary..

 

[oldtom]

that is totally uncivil and unnecessary..

I think it is wholly deserving as you seem to have no empathy whatsoever with those ordinary folk trying desperately hard to eke a living from nasty employers who may not even pay minimum wage. Almost every post you have contributed to this thread has centred upon trade figures, percentages, exchange rates and how those will impact on businesses; or perhaps just your own little concern...?

Never do I read anything from you about the dangers 'Brexit' poses for the less than well off so I take that as a statement that you really don't give a toss for the poor, the disabled, the disadvantaged, through whichever means, and those who are witnessing the deliberate demolition of the NHS so that the few can increase their personal fortunes while the poor just die off.

There is a better world out there but it is beyond the reach of millions of people, simply because of the greed of those who have no regard for their fellow man. It is a major humanitarian problem, particularly acute in the UK and you are most certainly not part of the solution.

Tom

 

[Zlatan]

Tom
You are just so insulting, I can understand your antagonism towards me, yes I,ve insulted you, but Woosh has shown nothing but patience and understanding toward you.

Your last comment to Woosh was uncalled for and says more about you than it does Woosh.

Have a good read of what you have said. I really cant see how anybody could actually mean it.

As for Woosh not being part of the solution, I see you and your attitude as a massive part of the problem. If you had half the regard you claim to have for your fellow men you would not spend so much time insulting and putting them down.

 

[anotherkiwi]

When you have finished calling each other names...

The UK has decided to leave the EU. The world is watching. My question if I was Japanese or Chinese would be "is the UK a trustworthy trading partner?"... My personal vote would be "no" going by how you are carrying on at the moment. No trust, no trade. You are acting like you did in the 19th century. FYI the world has moved on since then...

 

[Woosh]

My question if I was Japanese or Chinese would be "is the UK a trustworthy trading partner?"..

I think that the answer is unequivocally yes.
Divorce bill and ECJ defending citizens rights are not normally in any trade deal.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Express this morning
"
David Davis hints UK could pay Brexit bill as part of new cooperation pact with EU
BRITAIN may pay the EU a Brexit bill as part of a new cooperation pact with the Brussels bloc, Brexit Secretary David Davis has hinted.
Speaking of the prospect of paying the sum as part of such an arrangement, Mr Davis admitted: “It’s an idea that’s been floated around.”

One option reportedly floating around is Britain paying the sum over a transition period of several years where it remains in much of the EU’s regulatory framework.
The Tory minister has also admitted that even if Britain found no legal basis for many EU demands, it also recognised “moral obligations” and was prepared to pay for good relations in the future.

So far, little progress has been made during the Brexit negotiations, according to the EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier


You have to wonder how long the pretence we aren't going to cave in is going to last

 

[oldgroaner]

I think that the answer is unequivocally yes.
Divorce bill and ECJ defending citizens rights are not normally in any trade deal.

But promises made by the Government to Japanese Car makers are, surely, and if we renege on them?

 

[Woosh]

But promises made by the Government to Japanese Car makers are, surely, and if we renege on them?

then we would compensate them for their losses until a deal with the EU can be reached.

 

[anotherkiwi]

then we would compensate them for their losses until a deal with the EU can be reached.

In Pounds or Euros? Maybe they won't accept funny money?

 

[Woosh]

Never do I read anything from you about the dangers 'Brexit' poses for the less than well off so I take that as a statement that you really don't give a toss for the poor, the disabled, the disadvantaged, through whichever means, and those who are witnessing the deliberate demolition of the NHS so that the few can increase their personal fortunes while the poor just die off.

oldtom, do wake up.
you wallow in your own beliefs and discard any facts that don't agree with your views.
There are just not enough rich people to make brexit happen. The poor and especially the working poor wanted brexit and made brexit happen.
As for your behaviour toward me, I am not going to lower myself to your level.

 

[oldgroaner]

David Davis hints UK could pay Brexit bill as part of new cooperation pact with EU
BRITAIN may pay the EU a Brexit bill as part of a new cooperation pact with the Brussels bloc, Brexit Secretary David Davis has hinted.
Speaking of the prospect of paying the sum as part of such an arrangement, Mr Davis admitted: “It’s an idea that’s been floated around.”

One option reportedly floating around is Britain paying the sum over a transition period of several years where it remains in much of the EU’s regulatory framework.
The Tory minister has also admitted that even if Britain found no legal basis for many EU demands, it also recognised “moral obligations” and was prepared to pay for good relations in the future.

So far, little progress has been made during the Brexit negotiations, according to the EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier


You have to wonder how long the pretence we aren't going to cave in is going to last
Davis is clearly another individual suffering from not remembering which side he isn't on!

 

[Woosh]

In Pounds or Euros? Maybe they won't accept funny money?

they'll take a cheque.

 

[oldgroaner]

There are just not enough rich people to make brexit happen. The poor and especially the working poor wanted brexit and made brexit happen.

Partially true, but only Partially, as the rich people misdirected and orchestrated the poor people into blaming the EU for the Damage they had done, to achieve even more and harsher control over them.

As a coup, it has few parallels in history .
Worthy of a Quotable quote.

Never in the field of mass Persuasion
have so many been lied to and mislead
By so Few.

Should the United Kingdom last intact for a thousand Days
Men, and those of the many other sexual persuasions now appearing, shall still say.

This was their silliest hour.

(Waves Union Jack as the Aircraft from our New Gigantic
Aircraft Carrier pass overhead in Mass Formation )

Meanwhile the Three Brexiteers, to cheers of encouragement from the Brexit Voters, Drop their Trousers in front of the EU negotiating team and throw Custard pies at them.

 

[PeterL]

Those were heady days, Peter, imagine how surprised the people back then would be if we had a way to reveal what has happened since to them?

There were some ideas like mobile phones that never occurred to us,the nearest I got was to imagine a radio connected pocket gadget in contact with ones your family members carried that could show with coloured lights if they were well or in need of help, and you needed to go to them.

At the time I thought that a very bright idea, but it sure looks silly compared to a Mobile Phone, doesn't it?

In those days, late 70's we were working on mobile phones. Big ones, Needed a rucksack to carry the thing and the claim was that for the first time it would mean that the General would be able to speak directly with a tank commander on the battlefield, Sort of came to pass but it was certainly the framework for the mobile phone of today. Where would we be but for the Cold War?

 

[flecc]

then we would compensate them for their losses until a deal with the EU can be reached.

Just another Brexit cost.
.

 

[flecc]

Where would we be but for the Cold War?

Possibly a slightly less advanced but nicer world?
.

 

[oldgroaner]

In those days, late 70's we were working on mobile phones. Big ones, Needed a rucksack to carry the thing and the claim was that for the first time it would mean that the General would be able to speak directly with a tank commander on the battlefield, Sort of came to pass but it was certainly the framework for the mobile phone of today. Where would we be but for the Cold War?

I remember operating an 18 set, a bit earlier than that. the aerial was not something you could use inside a vehicle, was it?
We never imagined back then that such things would ever be condensed into the tiny gadgets we have now.

 

[oldgroaner]

Just another Brexit cost.
.

Doesn't that sort of negate the purpose of them being here?