Possibly yes but in all probability, no. I think that we have enjoyed relative peace and even prosperity because of such military developments. I didn't mention, but we also had flexible screens able to act as loud speakers that could be hung on a wall and a very primitive form of Sat-Nav. Perhaps the wrong people were sitting around the table with OG? I'm talking: Plessey and STC who were the main players in Telecoms at the time.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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STC, mentioned later, were very big in micro-wave transmission at the time and that is why we have tiny aerials along with the electronic switches needed to provide modern day communications. Back then the switch was in the back of a 3 tonne lorry and could handle perhaps a 100 or so conversations. Now it's the size of a typical PC and can handle a million or more conversations or indeed internet connections. We had an www of sorts back in those days too. Perhaps you missed a trick when the invitations went out?
1000 pages of "for once the truth" it's been a great read. It would make a good book!
All the best, David
All the best, David
Don't really follow your logic here OG. Appreciate that you can use any twist or turn to heap scorn on the man but, surely that is the art of negotiation? You cannot possibly adopt a rigid stance when you negotiate? Unless, of course, you hold all the cards and that clearly is not the case for either side with BREXIT.
A proud moment if not very useful. Barring the odd wobble from some on here I doubt that many minds have been changed in any meaningful way. Just hot air and passing the day away because we don't get 'paid' enough by the Government to go on a beneficial holiday (fact-finding) cruise around the world to broaden our minds and see how much better everyone one else lives than we do with our food-banks and broken NHS etc.
One Thousand Pages! 
Well done to all he contributors who've made this the most prolific pedelec thread ever.
It's been a thoroughly interesting read, and for me, very educational.
Well done to all he contributors who've made this the most prolific pedelec thread ever.
It's been a thoroughly interesting read, and for me, very educational.
There have been some superb posts, absolutely hilarious.
It's been fascinating getting a bit of an insight into the Brexit club's mind set. Splendid stuff if a little repetitive at times.
It's been fascinating getting a bit of an insight into the Brexit club's mind set. Splendid stuff if a little repetitive at times.
I'm sure we did, but remember our remit was "The Home of the Future" which is limited in scope, as were the attending companies.
I'm sure there were other Think Tanks more inclined in the direction you mentioned operating elsewhere, needless to say in other countries too at the same time.
It's a fair bet that this is still going on right now.
Indeed David, and I'm proud to be the author of this record breaking thread, with assistance from the BBC of course.
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Ten more posts and there will have been 20,000 contributions.
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I am merely focusing on the Duplicity being employed to kid the Public, where by now almost certainly all that is going on is already well on the way to agreement, and the rest is posturing and tailoring the story to be presented to the Public in a saleable fashion.
After all why Make out there was going to be the "Argument of the Century" when in fact you already agree in principle and only details remain to be thrashed out?
As a negotiator for the Company on Customer Complaints I have to say the approach being made here is counter productive and time consuming, and the reason for it?
Using the press to inflame the public and make them antagonistic the process, as if it is a War not a negotiation on a friendly basis.
Amateur, unproductive, inappropriate.
And I'm being kind there.
Way back in the Thread Zlatan and I had an exchange where he challenged me as to my negotiating skills.
I set down the approach I would use, and he agreed it was the correct one.
Here is the First Rule.
Do not poison the water by giving the appearance your opposition faces a completely antagonistic negotiator with no intention of meeting your requirements even part way.
Now look back at the Governments declarations, and worse the way the Press has played this for maximum public Anger against the EU.
We can start with using the term "Divorce" to load the baggage of that situation where the true Description "Secession" would be far less emotive.
On a positive note it has at least exposed those lost souls that accidentally strayed in this direction and exposed them to a wide variety of opinions, and it has revealed that the Search for the "Holy Grail" has been replaced with something new
A valid, Cogent and Pragmatic well reasoned and Provable Argument that Brexit will ultimately benefit the Nation.
If such a mythical "Beast" exists, it is harder to find than an Honest politician.
Would you care to repeat that?
ps: Are we there yet, flecc?
I need to go the the toilet.....
Replace the last six words with "God exists", and the scale of the task can be seen.
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I would suggest to be more Religion Neutral "Father Christmas" would seem more sympathetic.
OG has covered that in a subsequent post. All I will say to you is that it wasn't anyone from the disadvantaged sector of the population who provided the means and opportunity by which a 'bogeyman' would be created and held responsible for all the UK's ills. Neither was it anyone from that disenfranchised group who led the massive propaganda campaign to ensure the unsophisticated, ordinary folks would support the removal of the UK from the clutches of that mythical 'bogeyman'. Those responsible were, to a man and to a woman, of the millionaire class and some, indeed, of the billionaire class.
You very conveniently choose to forget that the UKIP-driven 'Brexit' campaign was deliberately founded on a pack of lies - not lies promulgated by any socialist politician or indeed any left-wing social commentator; lies by extreme right-wing, minor politicians, subsequently repeated and embellished with enormous gravitas by some more senior tory politicians.
Clearly, once again, you seek to bend the truth and lay the blame for the whole fiasco at the door of the poor. You really do have a most distorted view of politics and apparently no concept of the insidious rise of fascism. Perhaps that is what happens when one spends too much time studying graphs and statistics, balance sheets, profit margins, tariff levels and so on, rather than paying attention to how great events might impact on real people and on their ability to survive with reduced income, no rights and no protections enshrined in law.
Tom
I'll try to squeeze in this short post and leave the way clear for another correspondent to actually post number 20,000.
It's an old clip but reveals what is wrong in the UK and it has nothing to do with EU membership:
Tom
It's an old clip but reveals what is wrong in the UK and it has nothing to do with EU membership:
Tom
I have not noticed any lack of trust from the Chinese of UK customers due to the negotiations.
Trust is usually a personal matter between businesses and the actions of our respective governments is irrelevant.
KudosDave
How do you calculate £35 billion,other than it sits midway between £65billion and £5 billion? I just don't see anyway that more than £10billion is going to be approved by our parliament and/or the electorate...
In this Leavers and Remainers are in agreement but for different reasons...
Leavers voted for Brexit to get £11billion per year not to give the EU money,Redwood,Rees-Mug etc have said we don't owe them a penny.
Remainers don't want to be part of Brexit so don't want to pay a penny towards what they see as a stupid idea,certainly not one that should cost them any money.
This is an impasse with no solution,other than the time will run out and we will crash out or stay in.
KudosDave
My feeling is that the press have hamstrung the government to the point where they are having to come up with excuses to make an agreement. Effectively Murdoch is in charge of policy till they can convince him to come onside
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