We are not all fixated on economic indicators. Some of us are appalled that a bunch of xenophobes,racists and other bigoted unproductive members of society have hijacked what was a flourishing, open integrative country and economy in an attempt to take it culturally back to a nightmare version of the 1950s
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Fair enough back then at the time of the Referendum, what is the reasoning now? have they learned nothing?
Just prior to the Brexit referendum, the pound would buy you 1.30 euro. Today it will buy you 1.09 euro, so it has lost in value about .21 of a euro. Major currency exchanges are suggesting that Soon it will buy just 1.00 euro. That is not .. repeat not a drop of 10% . Any of your friends who went on their sun holiday this year will be returning with stories as to how expensive ice creams and coffees have got in Spain , particularly if the last time they went abroad was in 2015, when their pound would have bought them 1.45 euro.
England imports something like 30% of its food, from local EU markets like Ireland and Denmark.. Ireland for beef and dairy , Denmark for your rashers. Irish producers would have had contracts denominated in sterling, with some of the major supermarket chains, and so are currently on the rack as their costs are in euro and their current payments are in a devalued sterling. These contracts are typically for one or two years and will all run out. What do you think will be the outcome when new contracts are negotiated?
My advice is not to be complacent
The old saying a "bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.". The truest word you have spoken is that we don't even know the deal yet. The problem is that while the EU has been up front and published position papers all that has emerged from the UK side is pious aspirations. The document, discussion paper , on dealing with a border in Ireland is so woolly it just cannot stand.
I am dispairing that there will be any deal, which might applease diehard Brexit supporters in a short run, but will destroy the UK economy and damage severely the Irish economy. Time is running out for the UK to start bringing rabbits out of hats on this one.
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the desperate for change are still desperate for change, the unconcerned still unconcerned. Why should they change their thinking?
It takes a great deal of effort to research and understand the many issues.
.. Are you actually saying that it was British state policy to send nincompoops to Brussels? Because that is what that sounds like. Such a policy would in my opinion, as an outsider be treasonous.! And yes I am not a UK subject and do not and have never worked in the UK. I have visited, and have family who do work and reside there.
If UK policy, as articulated in your parliment, was against further integration of the European states, the place to make that argument surely was in the EU parliment and council of ministers. I for one am not sure of the merits of a united states of Europe, but that was never the reason for Brexit.... I t has been articulated again and again that the reasons were migration, ".taking back control ", keeping more money at home and any other sundry reason which might have appeal.
The leave camp ran a good campaign, I grant you that, it helps when one plays fast and loose with the truth, and immediately walks away from any commitments. When one is constrained by the truth, it's more difficult .
In a previous post you indicated "freedom" as the main advantage and desire to have control . Can you indicate exactly what freedoms were denied you and more properly the British people while in the EU. ?
I am in the midst of buying a set of rims and funnily the UK is the major supplier of decent wide BMX rims. Since the last time I looked they have gone down 3€. Think I'll wait another few weeks before ordering...
I can't wait to hear the answer! I remember very well what became of that little Scots chap, Wallace, who thought freedom was worth fighting for. I remember too, one Wat Tyler who led the peasants' revolt and allowed himself to be lured up to Smithfield to meet with King Richard 11, naively believing that the king would concede his demands - the king lied! Tyler had no real back-up and his head was duly placed upon a spike for all to see.
'Freedom' is not a good shout as many others have discovered over the centuries - Che Guevara, for example, was executed in Bolivia 50 years ago for fighting against the establishment.
Tom
Bizarrely I'm a bit the same, first car was an old vw, but I dislike German ergonomics, numbing amounts of rubber and steel, and little feedback. Much better alfa or Fiat, less good reliability is a small price to pay for all the tactile feedback, driving enjoyment
Ever since this whole Brexit idea was voted for,I could not understand what the Rees-Moggs,IDS,Redwood and Bone wanted out of it.
Priti Patel pretty much let the cat out in her book 'Britannia unchained'
This Tory cabal visualise a low wage,low tax,low regulated and low service economy,like some Asian economies.
The cabal needed to exit the EU because much of what they intend would be illegal inside the EU. And why quitting the ECJ is important for these people.
Typical of the cabal Jonathan Harmsworh,4th viscount Rothermere,owner of the Daily Mail,based and operated out of the Bahamas.
Wages and savings are already starting to devalue. They need workers to be forced to work harder,longer and for less wages to develop their business model.
Brexit is a smokescreen, they could not have been luckier that Brexiteers have harnessed Brexit for all the wrong reasons,unaware of the scenario intended by the cabal.
Read the reviews of the book on Amazon,it all makes devious sense.
KudosDave
Priti Patel pretty much let the cat out in her book 'Britannia unchained'
This Tory cabal visualise a low wage,low tax,low regulated and low service economy,like some Asian economies.
The cabal needed to exit the EU because much of what they intend would be illegal inside the EU. And why quitting the ECJ is important for these people.
Typical of the cabal Jonathan Harmsworh,4th viscount Rothermere,owner of the Daily Mail,based and operated out of the Bahamas.
Wages and savings are already starting to devalue. They need workers to be forced to work harder,longer and for less wages to develop their business model.
Brexit is a smokescreen, they could not have been luckier that Brexiteers have harnessed Brexit for all the wrong reasons,unaware of the scenario intended by the cabal.
Read the reviews of the book on Amazon,it all makes devious sense.
KudosDave
I had an Alfa GTV,loved the style,loved the handling,shame it was a rust bucket only 6 months old,still in warranty....had to con Alfa to get rid of it.
KudosDave
Have read more about Priti Patels book.....'Brittania unchained',I had no idea how right wing some members of the Tories have moved,they make Maggie Thatcher look centre left.
The book is co-written by Dominic Raab....
Raab thinks that British workers are over protected and should be sackable for 'coasting', to give others a chance. He says ' the British are the worst idlers in the world,retire early and poor productivity.
He says that austerity is not tough enough and benefits should be cut ,he wants the minimum wage scrapped.
Other Tory donors including Adrian Beecroft want the loosening of regs to employ children.
The book suggests that UK wages and social conditions should look towards China if we are to achieve productivity in a world market.
The co authors are Priti Patel,Dominic Raab,Kwasi Kwarteng and Chris Skidmore.
All I can say is .....WOW !!!!!!!
Oxygen James....this book suggests that the Tories have post Brexit intentions which is the absolute opposite of what a Brexit supporter voted for in the poor northern regions of the U.K.
KudosDave.....don't shoot the messenger.
The book is co-written by Dominic Raab....
Raab thinks that British workers are over protected and should be sackable for 'coasting', to give others a chance. He says ' the British are the worst idlers in the world,retire early and poor productivity.
He says that austerity is not tough enough and benefits should be cut ,he wants the minimum wage scrapped.
Other Tory donors including Adrian Beecroft want the loosening of regs to employ children.
The book suggests that UK wages and social conditions should look towards China if we are to achieve productivity in a world market.
The co authors are Priti Patel,Dominic Raab,Kwasi Kwarteng and Chris Skidmore.
All I can say is .....WOW !!!!!!!
Oxygen James....this book suggests that the Tories have post Brexit intentions which is the absolute opposite of what a Brexit supporter voted for in the poor northern regions of the U.K.
KudosDave.....don't shoot the messenger.
At last you are waking up!
The whole "We don't want the ECJ" thing made it clear as day to me. The things that bother those people is worker protection, consumer protection, human rights, etc.... They want to go back to the good old 19th century. Same plan as MAGA.
The whole "We don't want the ECJ" thing made it clear as day to me. The things that bother those people is worker protection, consumer protection, human rights, etc.... They want to go back to the good old 19th century. Same plan as MAGA.
I think you have nailed it right there Dave. The question then, of course, becomes, 'Why would exceedingly wealthy people want to do that?'
The answer is to do with class war, wealth expansion for the few at the expense of the many, along with the total destruction of all democratic processes and public ownership. Indeed, a return to the full-blown feudalism which was rife in the middle ages. In a word, greed!
Tom
The Express features another aspect of the latest attempt to con the Brexit voter who was sold the idea of the Primacy of English courts
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UK doesn't need ECJ after Brexit, but could use ANOTHER court for EU trade, Brexiteer says
LEAVE campaigner Hugh Bennett suggested that the UK could opt for the European Free Trade Agreement court in order to avoid ECJ jurisdiction lingering on in Britain after Brexit.
Brexit: the disappearance. Morphing into whatever the Torys want it to be and to hell with the "Will of the people"
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UK doesn't need ECJ after Brexit, but could use ANOTHER court for EU trade, Brexiteer says
LEAVE campaigner Hugh Bennett suggested that the UK could opt for the European Free Trade Agreement court in order to avoid ECJ jurisdiction lingering on in Britain after Brexit.
Brexit: the disappearance. Morphing into whatever the Torys want it to be and to hell with the "Will of the people"
It is simpler than that anotherkiwi, the ECJ is just one thread in the EU puppet masters string that has to be cut for the UK to detach itself but don't worry it will still have 27 to play with after we are gone.
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Because that court only deals with trade matters, not workers rights or consumer protection rights et al. But will the EU buy coal mined by twelve year old Welsh lasses? Or cotton T-Shirts made by people working for peanuts on 18 hour shifts?
Because that court only deals with trade matters, not workers rights or consumer protection rights et al. But will the EU buy coal mined by twelve year old Welsh lasses? Or cotton T-Shirts made by people working for peanuts on 18 hour shifts?
Well. Whatever. You could go on all day and all night here arguing back and forth - doesn't make a farts worth of difference as far as I can see.
Bottom line? You lost. We're Brits - not Europeans. We're English. Not Europeans. We won. You lost. End of. I think its a good thing. You think its a bad thing. So be it. Time will tell. Have a nice day.
Bottom line? You lost. We're Brits - not Europeans. We're English. Not Europeans. We won. You lost. End of. I think its a good thing. You think its a bad thing. So be it. Time will tell. Have a nice day.