Brexit, for once some facts.
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.. yes but my point made a large number of posts previously is was that Brexit was, is and will continue to be a bad call and the UK citizens were carried along on a wave of emotion , those expected to take a more reasoned response have failed them and we are all losers as a consequence.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
UNDERSTANDING TROLLS:
If you find yourself having difficulty understanding some of the really daft and ridiculous postings emanating from internet trolls, one of which has decided to roost in this 'Pedelecs' forum for a spell, just keep this in mind because it describes perfectly what you are up against:
This reference is applicable to all trolls as they are all bred in such a way that each is indistinguishable from the next. Ours seems overdue its turn to share the single intelligence gene for a day.
Tom
If you find yourself having difficulty understanding some of the really daft and ridiculous postings emanating from internet trolls, one of which has decided to roost in this 'Pedelecs' forum for a spell, just keep this in mind because it describes perfectly what you are up against:
This reference is applicable to all trolls as they are all bred in such a way that each is indistinguishable from the next. Ours seems overdue its turn to share the single intelligence gene for a day.
Tom
Ryanair might be the long term losers if they pull out of the UK, another airline could come along and eventually take over their routes, some short term pain perhaps but I prefer to look at things long term.
Xenophobia was used in the Brexit referendum, it's so ironic that Boris is now foreign secretary too, my view is Europe should be about trading only and it has become so much more.
The problem is, the Tory party are out of their depth, probably the Labour Party too, in negotiating a good deal for the UK, I even think the Tories don't care enough to try, I suspect they want us to become a tax haven for the rich, I expect more soup kitchens to open if they get in, more people to die needlessly and our infotainment media culture to do nothing.
I have been sickened at the way the Manchester bombing has been made into infotainment by the likes of the BBC, continually extending news and giving nothing in the way of news updates, this is a common thing these days, just continual focusing on the people who died, as if this is a soap opera script, I think over extending coverage really just gives the terrorists more minutes, I would rather see less coverage and more facts instead of them repeating the same things over and over and over.
Xenophobia was used in the Brexit referendum, it's so ironic that Boris is now foreign secretary too, my view is Europe should be about trading only and it has become so much more.
The problem is, the Tory party are out of their depth, probably the Labour Party too, in negotiating a good deal for the UK, I even think the Tories don't care enough to try, I suspect they want us to become a tax haven for the rich, I expect more soup kitchens to open if they get in, more people to die needlessly and our infotainment media culture to do nothing.
I have been sickened at the way the Manchester bombing has been made into infotainment by the likes of the BBC, continually extending news and giving nothing in the way of news updates, this is a common thing these days, just continual focusing on the people who died, as if this is a soap opera script, I think over extending coverage really just gives the terrorists more minutes, I would rather see less coverage and more facts instead of them repeating the same things over and over and over.
for every major economic reset, there will always be winners and losers. How often do you think that the unskilled workers are the winners?
We were all winners as a result of joining the EU, our non-stop 25 year decline after WW2 was halted and in some cases reversed.
In addition the EU and its courts greatly improved the lives of many ordinary people as a result of its guidance and legal rulings. There's much more to life than money and we benefited in both ways from EU membership, financially and in a variety of aspects of the quality of life.
But more recently, large C and small c conservative inclination to undo or ignore aspects of what the EU does, started to remove the good and make life worse. Brexit is the last stage of that.
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Just the once in "western" countries. It took a couple of wars and a great depression for them to get there though. I think that is probably Trump and May's logic - a good war will get the economy back on the rails. Problem is there hasn't been a good war in a while... The US have been losers since Korea...
at the beginning, yes. I've have seen the UK transformed, under Thatcher, Major then Blair. But successive enlargements have decreased the gain and increased the cost. I would say that in the last 10 years, this trend has hit the unskilled workers hardest while benefiting the multinationals and pan-european companies forever more.
since the last WW2, the new wars are on economics. The winners seem to be Germany and South Korea.
Alas flecc that we should live to see this happen and be unable to prevent it!
As had been our obective from the day we joined?
Personally, I am for enlargement because the economy as a whole would benefit.
but on this thread, I see problems that enlargement has caused to an important share of the votes.
Did you read this? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/21/brexit-coming-food-crisis-seasonal-migrant-labour-eu
Executive summary: UK workers don't want to do the jobs immigrants do...
Executive summary: UK workers don't want to do the jobs immigrants do...
that's because the money is not good enough.
After brexit, I reckon the employers won't be able to call the shots.
Almost certainly one of the UK registered airlines will attempt to take over these routes so, but they will by definition be trying to muscle in against a really dominant player, and will remain a niche player.
What rights will they get to fly into European airports if they are not prepared to operate to European Norms and accept European justice systems. ?If they are allowed to get them, and it would need UK approval ,as well as , EU approval so then so would Ryanair and it would come back into that market.
The point that Michael O Leary was making is not that he in any way interested in punishing the UK, but he does not want the complications of dealing with an alternate regulatory and legal system.
Like it or not the UK in EU population terms is just 6% of the market, valuable,yes , essential no.
Now he is quite an outspoken guy but there's will be plenty of other business leaders , more soft-spoken but thinking similarly.
There are some things in life that take a bit of courage to undertake - for example, ceasing a long-term tobacco habit, making regular dental appointments or going on a diet and sticking to it. It will be different things for different people but dragging oneself away from religiously switching on BBC News....or any other major broadcaster in the UK or USA really does take a bit of getting used to. Once that habit is broken though, one gains a better perspective of news events witnessed by and reported on by people outside the politico/media bubble organised and funded by billionaires in the UK.....although they pay their taxes elsewhere or not at all. Of course, the BBC is a special case because we citizens must contribute to its upkeep even if we don't ever watch the damned channel.
There are some very decent European-based news providers if you look around and they seem to provide UK content without the side and spin which has become an essential ingredient in the UK media industry, providing a new growth industry in the employment market (for tory party members) - news editor, home affairs editor, foreign affairs editor, economics editor, etc.....all because the arrogant providers cannot trust the viewers/readership with understanding the actual news being broadcast.
I recommend looking elsewhere for non-partisan news delivery.
Tom
For once I am inclined to agree with Thrump about calling the persons who commit these acts as losers . Unfortunately the actions of the mainstream media are turning this loser into a winner. Out of a non descript life he has achieved international celebrity status. For the cost of one life, his group has gained national and international notice, distrupted an election, and created a visible presence on the street which will last for months. This type of reaction is exactly what they might have hoped for so why give them the oxygen of publicity.?
I watched a sky news special yesterday with increasing levels of disbelief and yes anger that what is barely concealed racial and religious hate was masked under a veneer of concern. How long before a group of white zealots want vengence by listening to that dribble. .
If the UK government wants to nip this in the bud, they should issue blanket orders limiting coverage to known facts and then be prepared to prosecute as hate crimes additional speculation
Reading the article it doesn't have much to do with the money but rather the nature of the jobs - not good enough for your elite working class. They have tried employing people from the UK who don't have the luxury of cherry picking (oh! a rather good joke IIMSSM
) jobs such as ex-prisoners etc. There the problem was reliability and, gasp, being knowledgeable enough to do the simple tasks demanded...I think it is more a problem of attitude rather than wages. I am speaking from personal experience - I don't particularly like what I do but I no longer have the leisure to pick and choose. The money is good enough for what I do and enables me to live (not just exist) in a place I love.