Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

Without going into "Microshit is evil" etc they do tend to put profit before security.

We don't really know the ins and outs of the last attack - it may not be Microsoft's fault this time.
The problem is that PCs are effectively tunnels between the intranet and the internet. In large organisations like the NHS, those tunnels can be used to penetrate their intranet(s) to devastating effects. The criminals only need to infect one PC to spread their malware.

 

[oldtom]

It is perhaps not difficult to understand how the prospect of 'Brexit' might cause British people to become poorer with our currency devalued and pay increases under government-imposed austerity measures, less than inflation.

To understand how we can improve this worsening position outside of the EU requires something more. Indeed, it demands the greatest leap of faith ever in the history of economics to imagine how such an improvement might be achieved.

The government seems happy to ignore the advice of the best-qualified people around including the Governor of the BofE, Mark Carney, who has spelled out, not for the first time, what we can expect going forward with no plan and no strategy.



Tom

 

[Woosh]

I think the inflation figures released this morning will help Mr Corbyn.
There is a saying 'people vote with their wallet'.
The Pound retreated a fair bit against the Euro.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think the inflation figures released this morning will help Mr Corbyn.
There is a saying 'people vote with their wallet'.
The Pound retreated a fair bit against the Euro.

It will be interesting to see whether lies and propaganda succeed once again in fooling the public.
I expect despite all logic they will prevail.

 

[oldtom]

The Office of National Statistics today reveals that inflation has now overtaken earnings, meaning a Brexit pay squeeze for millions of hard working families.

At this General Election, we must deny the Government a blank cheque on hard 'Brexit' unless you are absolutely certain that we are all going to be better off by placing our trust in the liars comprising our 'strong and stable' government.



Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

One of the reforms long overdue is over contact between Political Parties and the Public.

My suggestion would be that a member of the Public can only be contacted directly if the following provisos are met.

All Parties involved in the election must be represented and their views presented in the Communication no matter what form it takes.

This should prevent the present practice of investing heavily in lying to more members of the Public DIRECTLY than the opposition parties can afford to do.

Before this comunication is sent, an independent body of Judges should be required to scrutinise the content and ensure that it contains the Truth, the Whole Truth and Nothing But the Truth

Once it has passed this test, the communication can be circulated.

Of course that would be the Death knell for the Westminster Bubble, wouldn't it?

 

[anotherkiwi]

We don't really know the ins and outs of the last attack - it may not be Microsoft's fault this time.
The problem is that PCs are effectively tunnels between the intranet and the internet. In large organisations like the NHS, those tunnels can be used to penetrate their intranet(s) to devastating effects. The criminals only need to infect one PC to spread their malware.

They have been aware for years that huge numbers of clients, including some very high level ones, have continued to use versions for which they (MS) no longer provide security fixes. Both those clients and Microsoft carry part of the responsibility. Fact. Telling a client to upgrade to a new version is not washing your hands of responsibility, especially when the client can't easily adapt existing core software to the new OS version.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well I got my copy of the Labour Manifesto, and while I agree with pretty much all of it it contains two words that kill it stone dead for me
AFTER BREXIT
Sorry and all that, but i really don't see the point of going backwards in time and hiding from reality, patching up this old Ford Model T of a country just because of the result of an advisory referendum where the population were deliberately lied and misled.
Mr Corbyn, fine fella you may be, but to me you are
Trading in Stolen Goods,
The stolen goods being the Future this country deserves, which was the reason I never voted for New Labour before you came on the scene.

Socialism was never intended to be a locally applied principle limited to an offshore banana republic, but a World wide movement. aimed ultimately at a World wide Government, and the EU was a small step in that direction.
All we are doing is getting off the bus and stepping back into the gutter.

Better to have nothing to do with the mess and let Brexit prove itself one way of the other.
Let the Torys win and try to lie their way out of where and what it gets them.
Democracy is I'm told the only way for people to get the Government they deserve.
And if they vote for TM and co, how much more deserving can they be?

 

[Danidl]

They have been aware for years that huge numbers of clients, including some very high level ones, have continued to use versions for which they (MS) no longer provide security fixes. Both those clients and Microsoft carry part of the responsibility. Fact. Telling a client to upgrade to a new version is not washing your hands of responsibility, especially when the client can't easily adapt existing core software to the new OS version.

.. I am not a stooge for Microsoft, but in fairness is it not unrealistic to expect them to cater indefinitely for what in computer terms is early bronze age software. ? They supply the product, that they will support fully for a number of years, provide that guarantee, a migration path and advise a cut off date. Win XP was released in 2001 and was designed with the security principles then in fashion. It and is designers could not be expected to cater for multiprocessor performance, decryption using the power of multiple graphic cards etc etc.

In fact Microsoft should be complimented on its civic responsibility and global citizen ship in designing and delivering the repair patch which it has now done. Knowing as it does that the vast majority of the estimated 1 billion machines running XP are on unlicensed machines
Does Rolls Royce provide leaded petrol or whitewall tyres and wire wheels for their prewar Bentley's.?
This early software will perform just as effectively as it did when first installed, and will be just as secure, provided it is isolated from external networks by an airgap . If people continue to work with antiquated systems, they must assume the responsibility.

 

[oldtom]

an independent body of Judges

If only such a species existed in the UK!

Sadly, they all attended the same schools as the tory cabinet and 1922 committee, belong to the same exclusive clubs and masonic lodges, sit around the same tables at dinner parties and are invited to the same grouse shoots and hunts. They interbreed within their exclusive social group and exist in a parallel universe to which the plebs rarely have any insight.

Therein, lies the major problem for ordinary people, exacerbated by jerrymandered constituency boundaries and a media comprising all the major TV companies and newspapers, owned by the billionaires who are also on the invitation list for all the aforementioned formal and recreational activities.

When you add in the senior Civil Servants, Police and Army officers who also access many of the facilities unavailable to the 'great unwashed', as they term those outside their circle, it provides the answer, (or at least, all you need to know) to many, many questions about politics, law, paedophile rings and lots more.

Much as I admire your desire, OG, to see a fairer kind of politics in the UK, I'm afraid you drifted away for a moment on a flight of fantasy.

If you have never visited the chambers of any of our leading law firms in the various Inns of Court, OG, I can assure you it is quite astonishing to get a glimpse of the lifestyle enjoyed by the top barristers who command eye-watering salaries that would make some pop stars and footballers very jealous! They even have free car parking within the grounds of the Inns of Court in central London. Judges are on an even higher level still and live elsewhere.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

Telling a client to upgrade to a new version is not washing your hands of responsibility, especially when the client can't easily adapt existing core software to the new OS version.

upgrading the OS is not a permanent fix. If you are given execution right to your little piece of code, and the victim's machine has access to the internet, you can, given time, break into other machines on the victim's intranet and spread your little piece of code. Just a matter of level of difficulty.
Some of the people will take an infected machine to other places, connect it to their wifi hubs and spread your code. One day, you turn on the switch and boom!

 

[oldtom]

This will be interesting!

388505-blair-iraq-war-chilcot

Tom

 

[oldtom]

This is not interesting.....but it is unsurprising:





Tom

 

[Zlatan]

Well I got my copy of the Labour Manifesto, and while I agree with pretty much all of it it contains two words that kill it stone dead for me
AFTER BREXIT
Sorry and all that, but i really don't see the point of going backwards in time and hiding from reality, patching up this old Ford Model T of a country just because of the result of an advisory referendum where the population were deliberately lied and misled.
Mr Corbyn, fine fella you may be, but to me you are
Trading in Stolen Goods,
The stolen goods being the Future this country deserves, which was the reason I never voted for New Labour before you came on the scene.

Socialism was never intended to be a locally applied principle limited to an offshore banana republic, but a World wide movement. aimed ultimately at a World wide Government, and the EU was a small step in that direction.
All we are doing is getting off the bus and stepping back into the gutter.

Better to have nothing to do with the mess and let Brexit prove itself one way of the other.
Let the Torys win and try to lie their way out of where and what it gets them.
Democracy is I'm told the only way for people to get the Government they deserve.
And if they vote for TM and co, how much more deserving can they be?

Much as I don't agree with your pessimism over Brexit I do think Labour should be supporting remain...they should be representing the opposing view...then , perhaps again, we could actually get a mire detailed picture of voting public's opinions.I just can not understand Corbyn's opinion/ policy on a number of issues, this being the main one.
I really can understand remainers' frustration at moment. They are facing a prolonged Tory govt and Brexit without a vote being able to prevent either. It is a strange idea of democracy.
Wouldn't surprise me if turnout was very low.

 

[oldgroaner]

Much as I don't agree with your pessimism over Brexit I do think Labour should be supporting remain...they should be representing the opposing view...then , perhaps again, we could actually get a mire detailed picture of voting public's opinions.I just can not understand Corbyn's opinion/ policy on a number of issues, this being the main one.
I really can understand remainers' frustration at moment. They are facing a prolonged Tory govt and Brexit without a vote being able to prevent either. It is a strange idea of democracy.
Wouldn't surprise me if turnout was very low.

I feel exactly the same.

 

[anotherkiwi]

.. I am not a stooge for Microsoft, but in fairness is it not unrealistic to expect them to cater indefinitely for what in computer terms is early bronze age software. ? They supply the product, that they will support fully for a number of years, provide that guarantee, a migration path and advise a cut off date. Win XP was released in 2001 and was designed with the security principles then in fashion. It and is designers could not be expected to cater for multiprocessor performance, decryption using the power of multiple graphic cards etc etc.

In fact Microsoft should be complimented on its civic responsibility and global citizen ship in designing and delivering the repair patch which it has now done. Knowing as it does that the vast majority of the estimated 1 billion machines running XP are on unlicensed machines
Does Rolls Royce provide leaded petrol or whitewall tyres and wire wheels for their prewar Bentley's.?
This early software will perform just as effectively as it did when first installed, and will be just as secure, provided it is isolated from external networks by an airgap . If people continue to work with antiquated systems, they must assume the responsibility.

I agree BUT... They know that ATMs and other sensitive machines are still running on XP. They made a crappy OS (which was one of the first ones I found usable btw) and the holes in the TCP/IP stack have been there since W98!!!! Some were still there in Win7...

Your analogy isn't even close and just look at the names of the institutions and companies still using XP... They have never been very good at security or even networking for that matter. I have a lot of very scary true stories from personal experience with the dreck they have been over charging for fo many years now.

 

[tillson]

Well I got my copy of the Labour Manifesto, and while I agree with pretty much all of it it contains two words that kill it stone dead for me
AFTER BREXIT

I also like much of what is contained within the Labour manifesto. I like the intended long term outcome. What kills it stone dead for me is the means of delivery, spraying money everywhere like it's coming out of a fireman's hose.

Let's take the NHS. An organisation that must never fall into the hands of private profiteers and must always be free to access. An organisation with dedicated front line staff who are struggling due to lack of medical professionals and facilities. The NHS is also massively inefficient. If Corbyn turns his money hose on the NHS we all know exactly what will happen, more NHS directors & managers earning wages that a footballer would eye with envy. These managers & directors who are so incompetent that they are unable to secure employment in the private sector. You wouldn't trust many of them to correctly and efficiently dispense lavatory paper in a public convenience.

So we all pay an extra penny on our taxes to fund a better NHS. We end up with a few extra doctors and nurses who's on-cost is about £1 million pounds per year once the eye-watering salaries of the (directors, managers, HR staff, H&S staff, Equality Officers, Business Support Staff, Marketing, this list goes on and on) are factored in. Then we are still short of doctors and nurses, so what next? Another penny on tax?

Corbyn's money hose manifesto is not the answer. I like his intentions, but the money hose is the easy option and I'm disappointed by this. I would have liked to see, difficult" in the form of NHS manager genocide. A merciless blood bath of managerial sackings and redundancies. The money saved then ploughed back in to hire medical staff and other front line support workers. Then I'd be happy to see an extra 2 or 3 p on my tax to make the NHS even better.

Corbyn is no different, he is just proposing "easy" and easy won't work. The re-nationalised water and railways will go the same way as the NHS and become a magnate for dick-head, washed-up and failed private sector managers.

We need a leader prepared to take on 'difficult" and no one fits the bill. This is why for the first time ever I am likely not to vote next month. I can never remember such a bunch of pathetic & inadequate candidates bidding to lead the country.

 

[oldgroaner]

I also like much of what is contained within the Labour manifesto. I like the intended long term outcome. What kills it stone dead for me is the means of delivery, spraying money everywhere like it's coming out of a fireman's hose.

Let's take the NHS. An organisation that must never fall into the hands of private profiteers and must always be free to access. An organisation with dedicated front line staff who are struggling due to lack of medical professionals and facilities. The NHS is also massively inefficient. If Corbyn turns his money hose on the NHS we all know exactly what will happen, more NHS directors & managers earning wages that a footballer would eye with envy. These managers & directors who are so incompetent that they are unable to secure employment in the private sector. You wouldn't trust many of them to correctly and efficiently dispense lavatory paper in a public convenience.

So we all pay an extra penny on our taxes to fund a better NHS. We end up with a few extra doctors and nurses who's on-cost is about £1 million pounds per year once the eye-watering salaries of the (directors, managers, HR staff, H&S staff, Equality Officers, Business Support Staff, Marketing, this list goes on and on) are factored in. Then we are still short of doctors and nurses, so what next? Another penny on tax?

Corbyn's money hose manifesto is not the answer. I like his intentions, but the money hose is the easy option and I'm disappointed by this. I would have liked to see, difficult" in the form of NHS manager genocide. A merciless blood bath of managerial sackings and redundancies. The money saved then ploughed back in to hire medical staff and other front line support workers. Then I'd be happy to see an extra 2 or 3 p on my tax to make the NHS even better.

Corbyn is no different, he is just proposing "easy" and easy won't work. The re-nationalised water and railways will go the same way as the NHS and become a magnate for dick-head, washed-up and failed private sector managers.

We need a leader prepared to take on 'difficult" and no one fits the bill. This is why for the first time ever I am likely not to vote next month. I can never remember such a bunch of pathetic & inadequate candidates bidding to lead the country.

Alas my friend, we are at the mercy of imbeciles

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk

 

[Croxden]

I remember Thatcher getting someone from M&S to oversee the NHS.
It didn't get any better, but M&S got worse.

Getting the right people in the right job thats the hard part.

I don't think Tillson would be suitable.

 

[flecc]

I also like much of what is contained within the Labour manifesto. I like the intended long term outcome. What kills it stone dead for me is the means of delivery, spraying money everywhere like it's coming out of a fireman's hose.

Let's take the NHS. An organisation that must never fall into the hands of private profiteers and must always be free to access. An organisation with dedicated front line staff who are struggling due to lack of medical professionals and facilities. The NHS is also massively inefficient. If Corbyn turns his money hose on the NHS we all know exactly what will happen, more NHS directors & managers earning wages that a footballer would eye with envy. These managers & directors who are so incompetent that they are unable to secure employment in the private sector. You wouldn't trust many of them to correctly and efficiently dispense lavatory paper in a public convenience.

So we all pay an extra penny on our taxes to fund a better NHS. We end up with a few extra doctors and nurses who's on-cost is about £1 million pounds per year once the eye-watering salaries of the (directors, managers, HR staff, H&S staff, Equality Officers, Business Support Staff, Marketing, this list goes on and on) are factored in. Then we are still short of doctors and nurses, so what next? Another penny on tax?

Corbyn's money hose manifesto is not the answer. I like his intentions, but the money hose is the easy option and I'm disappointed by this. I would have liked to see, difficult" in the form of NHS manager genocide. A merciless blood bath of managerial sackings and redundancies. The money saved then ploughed back in to hire medical staff and other front line support workers. Then I'd be happy to see an extra 2 or 3 p on my tax to make the NHS even better.

Corbyn is no different, he is just proposing "easy" and easy won't work. The re-nationalised water and railways will go the same way as the NHS and become a magnate for dick-head, washed-up and failed private sector managers.

We need a leader prepared to take on 'difficult" and no one fits the bill. This is why for the first time ever I am likely not to vote next month. I can never remember such a bunch of pathetic & inadequate candidates bidding to lead the country.

While I wholeheartedly agree with you over the NHS management wastage and almost all of our useless politicians, I disagree on the expenditure. Sometimes the courage to spray money one hasn't got is the answer. Some examples:

Take France, in a mess and broke post war. Despite that they set to work to build a rail network and Paris Metro that put us to shame. They built proportionally the world's largest large nuclear power station fleet, resulting in the cheapest to produce electricity in Europe, proving the anti-nuclear brigade wrong. They went ahead with the modern Charles de Gaulle airport and a bevy of modern regional airports, and they supported their aircraft industry and car industry into continuing success, instead of virtually killing them as we did.

Then there's Costa Rica, applying the same "can do" attitude but for very different ends. Though a very poor country, they decided they would go the opposite way to everyone else and become totally "green", regardless of cost. They have been spectacularly successful, a third of the entire country is nature reserves protecting their magnificent wildlife and a staggering 99% of their electricity is from renewables. Despite this they've raised their living standards and their society is far more law abiding and peaceful than that of their Central American neighbours.

And last but far from least, there was the Clement Attlee government here post war. We were completely broke, but they bravely went ahead with instituting the best welfare state the world had ever known, and which we still hugely benefit from.

These examples clearly show what we need to do now. People like Theresa May are yesterday's people, dinosaurs. Like Clement Attlee in 1945, Jeremy Corbyn is who we need now in 2017.
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