We can't - the system is a ledger that is stored on multiple servers.
perhaps in the future, all transactions should be made publicly accessible.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The SNP seems to represent much better than the mainstream Westminster parties the kind of policies most of the population of the UK would find eminently sensible. If either of the two largest parties in the rest of the UK advocated the policies contained in this attached infographic, I reckon their popularity would soar.
Sadly, they seem to have lost sight of the fact that they should be representing and articulating the hopes and desires of the electorate, instead choosing to dictate policies in line with their traditional philosophies.
The obvious criticism is that the country cannot afford such policies but I would contend that we cannot afford not to have them - our future progress as a civilised and humane society depends on fundamentals just like those adopted by the SNP. It is not difficult to understand why the tories and the Labour party have been pretty much obliterated across Scotland.
Tom
Sadly, they seem to have lost sight of the fact that they should be representing and articulating the hopes and desires of the electorate, instead choosing to dictate policies in line with their traditional philosophies.
The obvious criticism is that the country cannot afford such policies but I would contend that we cannot afford not to have them - our future progress as a civilised and humane society depends on fundamentals just like those adopted by the SNP. It is not difficult to understand why the tories and the Labour party have been pretty much obliterated across Scotland.
Tom
Well they must be right on somethings then.
The lack of regulation on the internet is ridiculous. Bullying, porn, intimidation, scams and even acts of war are tolerated in name of freedom. We all suffer and such as yourself kiwi aid those wishing harm. Its the least regulated media we,ve ever had and the most powerful. To lower it to a political issue of left and right is immature at best. Grow up.
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If you,d bothered to read my posts you would know I,m as far from right wing as its possible to get.
Your right wing dictators want to regulate freedom of speech to maintain their grip on population. Any sensible person wants regulation to help prevent crimes being committed.
It would mean taking control if completely different elements.
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The sooner internet activity is better monitored with new controls and regulations enshrined in law with penalties enforceable by the courts, the sooner we will be free of internet trolls whose activities range from simply being a nuisance to those intent on blackmail, theft on a grand scale, threats and intimidation, even major crimes in every category imaginable.
Tom
Tom
Be fair, you are also prone to extreme changes of direction too, often in mid sentence.
Often your arguments are circular , but hey! It all comes under the old saying
I used to be uncertain,
But now I'm not so sure,
And yes. You can borrow my enigma machine ( as long as you don't get it all all sticky)
And who can be trusted to control the internet, without turning it into an instrument of repression?
That is the problem!
Remember that there is increasing evidence that Data based companies have been illegally influencing the public in Elections, if the Internet is to no longer be an area where Free Speech is possible and there is nowhere, and no way that they can be criticised how will we all be better off?
Using the same logic as you suggest we may as well ban Postal Services, as they may well conceal plots , threats , and organise terrorists in just the same way.
And since we are followed everywhere using the signals from our mobiles, tracked with surveillance cameras, all phone and Emails read by Government agents, Our internet web pages logged, the only other thing they haven't tried is to shut the internet down altogether.
By now if the intelligence assets can't get all they need by spying on the public in every possible way, we might as well sack the lot of them.
So much for "Grow up!"
Anyone with half a brain must realise that if you are in the business of doing anything evil or criminal, the first rule would be to avoid using any public method of communication, and no doubt the villains do exactly that. (or operate as a registered company of course, resorting to multiple identities and subterfuge)
I suspect that the reason the internet is relatively free is because it is more profitable and useable for their own purposes by the Powers that be to interfere with it.
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. Before the internet all the problems listed in your first sentence existed, and they will continue to exist as long as there are people.
If you look at Regency age political cartoons and lampoons they were as ugly , and obnoxiously crass as any modern counterparts
The only difference now is that there is an assumption of privacy by the preparator and a more global reach. This assumption of anonymity is actually false as any IP address which sends and receives packages of data must be addressable and accessible irrespective of the number of proxies used. It is just that the effort involved has not usually warranted the cost,
For my part I would much prefer to be cyber bullied than physically beaten. I m of the old school "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never ..."
If I have property , including data, it is my responsibility in the first place to protect it. I think is the duty of the public authorities to allow legal remedy for damages if I believe and have evidence that I have been wronged.What goes for me by extension goes for you and him...
Beyond that and lacking an international police force, I cannot see a value in regulation. We have plenty of laws governing behaviour and the rights of individuals and societies to their good name.and property These laws are not internet dependent.... Libel and slander, sedition, tresspass, malicious damage, treason...
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... Well according to reports, these victims were using an very obsolete version of Windows, from about 4 to 5 generations ago.
If more people were using Linux, then there would be more hacks on Linux, if more people were using iOS there would be more incentive to devote hacking efforts on that etc.
Windows XP is was one of the most successful OS ever and used in everything from ATMs, petrol pumps , medical diagnostics , industrial automation, and office computers. Many of these were never intended for networking outside closed systems and will continue to give good service indefinitely.
The two political imbeciles photoshopped into this pic are responsible for the NHS being so starved of funds that the computer systems were so badly out of date rendering them an easy target for the kind of geeks who do such things....just because they can.
This morning, in my life, two things have happened to people close to me which could and should have been avoided, had it not been for the incompetent tory and tory-lite governments we have had running (ruining) the country almost uninterrupted for the last half century.
First, a train due to leave Newcastle carrying my partner back towards civilisation in the home counties was an hour and a half late leaving. She will now miss her connection at York and has yet to discover when she will arrive at her destination of St Evenage. Her only consolation is that she will be able to claim some compensation from the despicable Richard Branson's company.
Secondly, I received a telephone call from a close friend who spent 90 minutes this morning on the phone to a London hospital enquiring about his forthcoming scheduled operation, given the difficulties of recent days with the NHS system failures. The hospital's telephone system simply cannot cope with the volume of calls similar to his resulting from that breakdown.
I'm sure events such as these have affected and continue to affect British people on a daily basis but they really need not happen. As for the the railways, some of you might remember this tory buffoon of yesteryear proclaiming.......
Tory Britain is detrimental to every facet of people's lives. It is time to stop it!
Tom
This morning, in my life, two things have happened to people close to me which could and should have been avoided, had it not been for the incompetent tory and tory-lite governments we have had running (ruining) the country almost uninterrupted for the last half century.
First, a train due to leave Newcastle carrying my partner back towards civilisation in the home counties was an hour and a half late leaving. She will now miss her connection at York and has yet to discover when she will arrive at her destination of St Evenage. Her only consolation is that she will be able to claim some compensation from the despicable Richard Branson's company.
Secondly, I received a telephone call from a close friend who spent 90 minutes this morning on the phone to a London hospital enquiring about his forthcoming scheduled operation, given the difficulties of recent days with the NHS system failures. The hospital's telephone system simply cannot cope with the volume of calls similar to his resulting from that breakdown.
I'm sure events such as these have affected and continue to affect British people on a daily basis but they really need not happen. As for the the railways, some of you might remember this tory buffoon of yesteryear proclaiming.......
Tory Britain is detrimental to every facet of people's lives. It is time to stop it!
Tom
I still use windows XP typing this post and we still use SBS 2003 server. Both are obsolete.
This malware exploits a fault in Microsoft SMB old code to get inside from outside your firewall once it is inside, it uses the victims' privileges. The other way of spreading is by email, to trick the victim to download the worm.
The point I try to make is, if your firewall is up and nobody opens a malicious email (the vast majority of users), then this crisis does not hit you, regardless of your version of windows. So blaming the old windows XP seems like scapegoating to me.
Your (dangerous in my view) attitudes towards regulation just point towards your ignorance of how the internet and the justice system work:
- Just because it is on the internet doesn't mean it is beyond the bounds of the law. Regulations and laws apply in all of your examples. The breaking of laws is still forbidden and regulations apply. That there is complete freedom is a ridiculous notion that is chucked about - another alt-fact. Maybe you are thinking about the ridiculous use of the constitution and free speech in the USA? In the EU hate speech isn't permitted as it is there. We have the ECJ to prosecute offenders who operate cross border...
- The internet is just a tool for publishing data and information, or an extension of your computer software in many cases. All media regulations apply in the EU to documents published on the internet. You have to have (in theory) a credit card to access pornography thus being of the legal age.
In no way am I willing to aid people to commit crime or cause harm. I am not armed to prevent them from doing so and it is not my job, it is the police and justice systems job. I am not willing to give up my freedom to publish content (about boats or bikes or whatever) either. Look at your tabloids to see how the power of billions of $ is used to publish lies, bullying, scams and intimidation... Look at the ethics and morals of the people behind publishing on paper and I bet lots of their money is/was made publishing porn. If there was a press card required so that I can continue publishing the legal content I publish on the internet I would apply for and get one. I have no problem with that.
Trust me 'flecc', you are not wrong on that but it did tickle me once when a lady friend answered the 'where do you actually live' question at a dinner table with that St Evanage alternative, (pronounced Eh-vaan- azh). The guy who asked her had no idea but guessed it was somewhere in France.....which is a fair shout, I suppose.I doubt Stevenage really deserves this honour!
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It really is sad when some people are ashamed to admit where they live but I fully understand, having visited Stevenage from time to time since the 1950s. Some of those who live in the older part of the town which predates the post-war new town, make a point of always qualifying their answer by emphasising the 'old' part. The residents of Old Harlow like to make the same distinction.
Tom
I have a similar situation where I live Tom. The housing area straddles the parishes of Addington and Selsdon, but those living on the Addington side insist on wrongly referring to themselves as living in Selsdon.It really is sad when some people are ashamed to admit where they live but I fully understand, having visited Stevenage from time to time since the 1950s. Some of those who live in the older part of the town which predates the post-war new town, make a point of always qualifying their answer by emphasising the 'old' part. The residents of Old Harlow like to make the same distinction.
Tom
The associations that prompt that are that there is a New Addington (still mainly council) estate next to the Addington side, but Selsdon is alongside the socially desirable up-market Sanderstead.
I'm on the Addington side and say so, but ironically my telephone exchange is Sanderstead so my landline phone is posh!
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Kiwi.
Steve Wilson , Head of Cyber Crime at Interpol is calling for both greater regulation and stronger measures against cyber crime and cites this as one of a dozen reasons.
Trend 5: Online child sexual abuse
The use of end-to-end encrypted platforms for sharing media, coupled with the use of largely anonymous payment systems, has facilitated an escalation in the live streaming of child abuse.
I,m not saying you are complicit with any of this but anyone who disagrees with stronger regulation has not started to understand the level of threat on many levels that we all now face.
Saying its either morally wrong or technically difficult has plainly not been affected.
Why on earth should a platform capable of being restricted be,allowed to make many crimes easier and facilitate payment for those very crimes. Its ludicrous.
And by the way, I,m still not right wing.
Steve Wilson , Head of Cyber Crime at Interpol is calling for both greater regulation and stronger measures against cyber crime and cites this as one of a dozen reasons.
Trend 5: Online child sexual abuse
The use of end-to-end encrypted platforms for sharing media, coupled with the use of largely anonymous payment systems, has facilitated an escalation in the live streaming of child abuse.
I,m not saying you are complicit with any of this but anyone who disagrees with stronger regulation has not started to understand the level of threat on many levels that we all now face.
Saying its either morally wrong or technically difficult has plainly not been affected.
Why on earth should a platform capable of being restricted be,allowed to make many crimes easier and facilitate payment for those very crimes. Its ludicrous.
And by the way, I,m still not right wing.
This is interesting
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Cyber attack latest: Vladimir Putin blames US for hack as thousands more computers hit by ransomware
"On Sunday night, Microsoft slammed the US spy agency that had originally developed software that allowed the ransomware attack to infect computers. The "Eternal Blue" tool developed by the National Security Agency had been dumped onto the public internet by a hacking group known as the Shadow Brokers.
He is essentially correct, but I would direct attention back to one of my earlier comments
This is old Malware that they should have destroyed, and undoubtedly they have developed much more advanced Cyber Weapons for more modern operating systems.
Are they really in Secure hands? we cannot take that for granted any more can we, nor can we assume that the systems that our Defence (namely Trident) rely on can't be compromised.
But we can of course rely on "Strong and Stable" TM to protect Trident like she has the NHS systems can't we?
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Cyber attack latest: Vladimir Putin blames US for hack as thousands more computers hit by ransomware
"On Sunday night, Microsoft slammed the US spy agency that had originally developed software that allowed the ransomware attack to infect computers. The "Eternal Blue" tool developed by the National Security Agency had been dumped onto the public internet by a hacking group known as the Shadow Brokers.
He is essentially correct, but I would direct attention back to one of my earlier comments
This is old Malware that they should have destroyed, and undoubtedly they have developed much more advanced Cyber Weapons for more modern operating systems.
Are they really in Secure hands? we cannot take that for granted any more can we, nor can we assume that the systems that our Defence (namely Trident) rely on can't be compromised.
But we can of course rely on "Strong and Stable" TM to protect Trident like she has the NHS systems can't we?
Have you ever heard of a Policeman of any stripe calling for an easing of the law?
What is ludicrous is that the very people who are supposed to keep the western world safe (NSA) have proved to be the source of the Malware.
So, who can be trusted not to ABUSE the very system they are supposed to oversee?
What is LUDICROUS is the fact that you seem happy to trust these people in Authority so readily.
If they can't break the encryption the perverts are using online, they are obviously not up to the job they are being paid to do on Surveillance and protection of the Public are they?
The last thing you should do is put more power into the hands of incompetents.
Never said I trusted anyone OG. The simple fact is people can ( and do) carry out activities on internet which if done elsewhere would mean an arrest.
We,ve seen it on here, threats of violence...nothing done.
We all seem to think there are dual standards, one set of behaviours in real life and another set in what some view as virtual. Problem is as time moves on the two worlds intermingle more and more.
I don't trust the lawmakers anywhere but that doesn't mean I want anarchy...which in some respects is exactly what we have on internet.
We saw it with Kiwi's attitude, because the crimes existed pre internet they are ok post, fact is many many crimes are made easier on internet, some are new crimes we didn't see before.
And yes, I would probably trust some internet police and legislation very little but a damn site more than than some anonymous criminal sat on his pc thinking of ways to rip us all off.
In 50 years time, perhaps more, folk will look back and wonder why on earth there was such little legislation around internet, The reason all revolves around its development and original attitudes of those developing it. Time we all grew up and accepted a slight inconvenience, as there is with all laws, for the benefit of vast majority.
Speak to someone who has been affected by fraud, bullying,threats, hacking,ID theft,.
etc etc.
And again Kiwi,s attitude of sticks and stones...its absolutely wrong. Speak to kids who have been bullied online....or the parents of kids who have committed suicide. Is it a coincidence the rise in youth suicide has matched internet growth ? Probably but then again probably not.
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