I don't think it will take that long to find out. We already know what EU membership is like. We only have to experience brexit - by the 2022 GE, we may even see labour portraying themselves as the brexit party and the tories the europhile party.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Obviously with age comes wisdom .Found on Twitter this morning.
Welcome to the issue that will tear Britain apart for years to come... Source: Latest YouGov May 9-10
haha, wisdom, or more likely simply not understanding the modern world in which they find themselves.
A serious and not leading question I,d like to ask is remainers is this ..
Our government has repeatedly shown itself to be uncaring towards workers, this thread is now full of examples from Tom, OG , myself and others. Yet this same government was only a few months ago campaigning to stay in EU..the likes of Osborn, Cameron and even May said all sorts of things to scare folk away from leaving...Does that not start alarm bells ringing in the socially minded remainers ?
They wanted us to stay in EU...the fact a tory government wants us to stay should tell us the EU has no control at all over tory ambitions.
Our government has repeatedly shown itself to be uncaring towards workers, this thread is now full of examples from Tom, OG , myself and others. Yet this same government was only a few months ago campaigning to stay in EU..the likes of Osborn, Cameron and even May said all sorts of things to scare folk away from leaving...Does that not start alarm bells ringing in the socially minded remainers ?
They wanted us to stay in EU...the fact a tory government wants us to stay should tell us the EU has no control at all over tory ambitions.
workers like these you mean?
A great many universities have been feeling the pinch of Austerity and Theresa May's anti-student immigration policies for years now. Brexit is set to hit them even harder.
Many will be cutting staff.
We have seen Heriot Watt, Aberystwyth and University of South Wales all announce 100s of job cuts in recent weeks where they blamed Brexit.. Now we see that Durham is launching a voluntary redundancy scheme too.
https://www.dur.ac.uk/hr/policies/vs/
A great many universities have been feeling the pinch of Austerity and Theresa May's anti-student immigration policies for years now. Brexit is set to hit them even harder.
Many will be cutting staff.
We have seen Heriot Watt, Aberystwyth and University of South Wales all announce 100s of job cuts in recent weeks where they blamed Brexit.. Now we see that Durham is launching a voluntary redundancy scheme too.
https://www.dur.ac.uk/hr/policies/vs/
But in 20 years time there'll be the "rosy specs" effect, the natural tendency to view the past in unduly favourable terms.
Just like those Brexiters at present who wrongly imagine things were better before we joined the EU.
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Wrong final conclusion, they wanted to remain for the business advantages from which their class profit.
It was in the interests of their buddies in the banks and other financial services (80% of our EU business) who provide them with lucrative jobs after politics. Like George Osborne's part time very profitable job, just one of numerous examples.
They were just feathering their nest as usual.
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in my case, my wife thinks most certainly dementia.
The real concern should be cancelling Brexit and getting the Torys out.
Nothing else is enough
19th Century will the place in the world we find for ourselves, and as a colonial not Imperial Nation too.
The only question is, which Master?
- China
- USA
Apparently wisdom came to some of us, why did you miss out?
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Exactly...case answered my lord.So was I.lol... you do realise I was a teacher
Its not me voting for Farron OG..Apparently wisdom came to some of us, why did you miss out?
.. I think that that is a very good question and as an outsider and therefore further from the action my take is..
1. The Cameron government introduced the referendum in order to flush out ukip sensitivity, but this blew up in their faces.
2. Events create their own momentum, and the new faces in UK government have risen to their positions on foot of a promise to instigate a Brexit.
3. Some within the monied conservative establishment now see advantages which they may not previously have expected or even hoped for. . The jewel as they might see it is removing the ECJ as a final arbitrator.
In your final statement you say that the EU has no control on whether the UK elects a Tory government. I totally agree, the form of national governments is the responsibility of their national electorate, were it otherwise the complaint about no control and faceless beurocrates would have had validity.
Good answer..again. You should be a lawyer.
It also raises the issue of our right wing press and their collective attempts to now get us out the EU...Yes ,they have always spread the rubbish about EU ( straight banana directive etc etc) but Osborne's scaremongering was given plenty of tabloid space and not ridiculed at all. Now the same press is supporting May. Nobody seems to be mentioning this fickle attitude of press. The common strand is ofcourse Labour..the press are simply anti socialist. but just like our government they have actually performed a U turn on Brexit.
When they were pro staying ( ie supporting Osborne/ Cameron) there was little criticism. Now they are pro leaving, well that's now different.
Answer me this Danidl..If the EU can offer any help at all towards social reform ( as claimed again and again on here) why were the Tories originally campaining to stay ..To quote OG and Tom...thats like turkeys voting for Christmas.