Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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They are keeping their powder dry. It's too early to mount an offensive. If negotiations start to look unfavourable for the UK, the MPs who favour remain will have something tangible, instead of assumptions and predictions, to use against the government. It's a tactical game and I understand what they are doing.
Apart from the fact that Brexit is nothing more than "assumptions and predictions," and no facts whatever, essentially your assessment is correct.
 
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oldgroaner

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Here is an example of the sort of treatment Brexit voters can look forward too, and there will be nowhere you can turn to for redress
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Anger as employment tribunal cases plummet after Tories introduce £1,200 fees to get justice at work
Labour and unions said the fees must be scrapped after the long-awaited review - slipped out online during MPs' debate on Brexit

And here is another nugget of news for you

Health Secretary Mr Hunt was urged to “get a grip” on the issue by MPs who warned that the NHS is failing to identify patients who should be charged.


They added that the Department of Health is also failing to get money back from European countries where reciprocal agreements exist.


In 2014/15, the UK recovered only £50million from these countries, but paid out £675million to them. The Government has a target to recover up to £500million a year by 2017/18 from all overseas patients. It is not expected to hit the target.

Yet another example that the Government has no intention whatsoever of carrying out any of it's promises, except one
The goodness will flow, and has started already, into the pockets of the rich, naturally.
 
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Danidl

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the EU should drop the idea that a deal with the UK should leave the UK worse off than current membership.
That's an idiotic ideology.
It should do the exact opposite, find the best deal for both sides. Let the UK continue to pay in and participate in as many programs as possible.

.... As marriage guidance councillors and mediators say "should" is a blame word and does not assist in resolving issues.
 
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Danidl

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Guys, you don't want to take the viewpoints of people like Mr Trump seriously.
I repost the OECD currency valuation chart again - countries can go to war over this.




If the Euro was re-valued by 25%, my bike business will boom. KD will agree with me on this.

There are also plenty of people who do not want to see the EU flag fly over their public buildings.

"There are also plenty of people who do not want to see the EU flag fly over their public buildings."
I think that this is the actual kernel of the brexit argument very succinctly put.
No amount of logic , economic arguement, social deprivation can persuade against a visceral feeling such as this.
 

oldgroaner

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"There are also plenty of people who do not want to see the EU flag fly over their public buildings."
I think that this is the actual kernel of the brexit argument very succinctly put.
No amount of logic , economic arguement, social deprivation can persuade against a visceral feeling such as this.
Equally there are lots of us with the opposite viewpoint and brexit voters will change their view when times become hard, you can't eat a flag.

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I,.m still convinced the economic arguments against Brexit are pessimistic.
However the now obvious social implications , along lines of the one I mentioned earlier, are beginning to worry me far more than any economic predictions.
It seems a lid has been lifted on either end of political spectrum. The extremes from both ends could , if we aren't careful, ruin whatever result we see.

Lets just hope the moral middle can see reason and sense and not allow the few idiots to have an effect above their democratic right.
We should all speak out against intolerance and prejudice whatever its guise, even if that intolerance comes from those who share ones own economic or political stance.
 
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Equally there are lots of us with the opposite viewpoint and brexit voters will change their view when times become hard, you can't eat a flag.

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remainers are really pussy cats.
 

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oldgroaner

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I,.m still convinced the economic arguments against Brexit are pessimistic.
However the now obvious social implications , along lines of the one I mentioned earlier, are beginning to worry me far more than any economic predictions.
It seems a lid has been lifted on either end of political spectrum. The extremes from both ends could , if we aren't careful, ruin whatever result we see.

Lets just hope the moral middle can see reason and sense and not allow the few idiots to have an effect above their democratic right.
We should all speak out against intolerance and prejudice whatever its guise, even if that intolerance comes from those who share ones own economic or political stance.
Thank you your reverence.......are you trying to ruin my day by being agreeable? think of your reputation! :confused:

Seriously you have correctly assessed what worries me so much as being worthy of at least being cautious, so well done for that
Have a big smile on me :)
 
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Probably of particular interest to those who believe the EU will fail, there's a program on BBC2 next Thursday 9th February at 9pm. In it Katya Adler investigates the nationalist mood sweeping the eurozone and how it now threatens the future of the EU.

It will also be available on later dates on the i-player.
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Which of the Pedelecs 'Brexit' Appreciation Society organised this photo shoot and which one is Tillson....or is he the one behind the camera?:)

It must be reassuring for the far right to know that these people will be on the streets, assisting the forces of law and order in ensuring public obediance after secession from the EU.

View attachment 17531

The full story can be read here:

http://www.newscrasher.com/2017/01/29/far-right-activist-spends-hours-creating-meme-littered-with-grammatical-errors/

Enjoy:D

Tom
For all of 0.001 seconds I took that seriously!
 

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Rees-Mogg ,so posh it is hard to understand him,proclaimed Brexit as a moment like Agincourt or Waterloo,I suspect the majority of MP's think it may be Dunkirk or the Dardenelles. We Brits still think of Dunkirk as a victory so I suspect if we escape from Brexit that could also be considered a victory.
KudosDave
 

oldtom

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Rees-Mogg ,so posh it is hard to understand him,proclaimed Brexit as a moment like Agincourt or Waterloo,I suspect the majority of MP's think it may be Dunkirk or the Dardenelles. We Brits still think of Dunkirk as a victory so I suspect if we escape from Brexit that could also be considered a victory.
KudosDave
That goes down as one of my favourite posts of the near 10.5K in this thread. Nice one David!:D

Tom
 
Rees-Mogg ,so posh it is hard to understand him,proclaimed Brexit as a moment like Agincourt or Waterloo,I suspect the majority of MP's think it may be Dunkirk or the Dardenelles. We Brits still think of Dunkirk as a victory so I suspect if we escape from Brexit that could also be considered a victory.
KudosDave
My mum's logic for voting remain was (not this alone before any one says anything)

She looked at the leave campaign team. Saw: Gove, Rees-Mogg, Boris, Farage etc and said even if she didn't know what they were proposing, she's pretty sure it would be nonsense and self serving. So would vote against them.
 

tillson

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Which of the Pedelecs 'Brexit' Appreciation Society organised this photo shoot and which one is Tillson....or is he the one behind the camera?:)

It must be reassuring for the far right to know that these people will be on the streets, assisting the forces of law and order in ensuring public obediance after secession from the EU.

View attachment 17531

The full story can be read here:

http://www.newscrasher.com/2017/01/29/far-right-activist-spends-hours-creating-meme-littered-with-grammatical-errors/

Enjoy:D

Tom
Is that the best you can do?

You strike me as being one of life's failures. A person who hasn't really achieved much as knows it. A real butthole. :)
 
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oldgroaner

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My mum's logic for voting remain was (not this alone before any one says anything)

She looked at the leave campaign team. Saw: Gove, Rees-Mogg, Boris, Farage etc and said even if she didn't know what they were proposing, she's pretty sure it would be nonsense and self serving. So would vote against them.
My reason for voting for remain is because Brexit is obviously this sort of an action.
 

tillson

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My mum's logic for voting remain was (not this alone before any one says anything)

She looked at the leave campaign team. Saw: Gove, Rees-Mogg, Boris, Farage etc and said even if she didn't know what they were proposing, she's pretty sure it would be nonsense and self serving. So would vote against them.
But sadly for mummy KTM it didn't work.
 
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