Brexit, for once some facts.

[tillson]

This is a powerful piece from Denmark although I suspect it won't be appreciated by the 'Brexit' camp, so entrenched in their hatred of foreign people and of many groups of British people that common purpose, togetherness and the advancement of humanity in friendship are anathema to them.

Tom

I think a butthole somewhere is having rather a bad day today.

 

[oldtom]

If you don't know who these characters are, then do a little research and see how close UKIP and the EDL really are:



Tom

 

[tillson]

Every day seems to reveal the result of yet another poll of some kind loosely connected to the possibility of a UK secession from the EU. This one, apparently a 'Yougov' poll, conducted on behalf of the 'Open Britain' organisation, strikes me as odd because it asks about returning to negotiations AFTER a FINAL deal???

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What it doesn't do is provide an option to vote for remaining in the EU and so many other discussions, polls and debates seem also to treat the whole issue as a fait accompli. This is part of the propaganda known as the 'Big Lie' - keep repeating the same story often enough, etc....!

If polls are so important these days, then given all the knowledge that has been gleaned since the first lies disseminated by the 'Brexit' proponents, why don't we simply have another referendum now with these provisos:

1) The result of the previous referendum should be disregarded as null and void.

2) Only one question but a minimum majority of 67% to 33% of the final vote will be required as an essential prerequisite before consideration, debate and action by parliament.

A failure to achieve the required majority either way should render the result null and void with no parliamentary time allotted to the matter at least until beyond the next general election. Equally, no further referendum on the same topic should be permitted in the same way.

Then we really will know what the will of the people is, definitively.

Tom

Blimey, I hadn't realised the magnitude of your bad day until I read this garbage.

What it doesn't do is provide an option to vote for remaining in the EU and so many other discussions, polls and debates seem also to treat the whole issue as a fait accompli. This is part of the propaganda known as the 'Big Lie' - keep repeating the same story often enough, etc....!

Butthole

It may have escaped your attention, but the option to vote for remaining in the EU was on a ballet paper on 23 June 2016. The public voted and that particular option was rejected in favour of an option to leave the EU.

Soz if this comes as a massive disappointment to you. Never mind, you might win the booby prize for your craziness.

 

[oldgroaner]

You seem to have picked up the bottle containing pi$$ and not the one containing vinegar. To make matters worse, you have doused your chips with it.

Reassure me, you haven't REALLY changed sides have you?

 

[oldgroaner]

I think a butthole somewhere is having rather a bad day today.

Tell me is that painful?

 

[oldgroaner]

Blimey, I hadn't realised the magnitude of your bad day until I read this garbage.



It may have escaped your attention, but the option to vote for remaining in the EU was on a ballet paper on 23 June 2016. The public voted and that particular option was rejected in favour of an option to leave the EU.

Soz if this comes as a massive disappointment to you. Never mind, you might win the booby prize for your craziness.

Recommended option actually (Sorry) by a Margin that by a jolly twist of Fate would have been rejected by Farage and co as "Work in progress, situation unresolved," had the vote gone the other way by the same amount.
"Only a two to one Vote in favour Remain will end it!"
Thus spake the Holy St Nigel who's words resonate wherever the Holy Cause of Brexit is mentioned.
How can we deviate from his holy words now the situation is reversed?

It would be Sacrilege, I cry, SACRILEGE. not to demand that Remain be buried under such a vote to show "The will of the people" (not to mention Sir Nigel)

Mind you my preference is to let Brexit go ahead, just for laughs.......

 

[tillson]

Reassure me, you haven't REALLY changed sides have you?

I can confirm that I haven't changed sides.

This may be an alien concept, but I accept middle ground, a compromise, a trading of certain concessions for others. I do not see things as glory or catastrophe with absolutely no possible option for a deal.

 

[tillson]

Tell me is that painful?

A bad butthole day? Tom?

 

[oldgroaner]

I can confirm that I haven't changed sides.

This may be an alien concept, but I accept middle ground, a compromise, a trading of certain concessions for others. I do not see things as glory or catastrophe with absolutely no possible option for a deal.

Thank Heavens tillson, I am so pleased to hear that, you really had me worried there, but deep down, no matter how you wriggle you did say

"My personal view is that the UK will have a sufficiently strong arm in the forthcoming negotiations to gain meaningful reforms to the terms of our membership."

Terms of our membership means you want us to stay, how can it mean anything else?
Enlighten me.

 

[oldgroaner]

I can confirm that I haven't changed sides.

This may be an alien concept, but I accept middle ground, a compromise, a trading of certain concessions for others. I do not see things as glory or catastrophe with absolutely no possible option for a deal.

We already have the best one we will be offered, so your point is what exactly
What do you actually want?

 

[oldgroaner]

For the purposes of discussion this is article 8.


The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

2. For the purposes of paragraph 1, the Union may conclude specific agreements with the countries concerned. These agreements may contain reciprocal rights and obligations as well as the possibility of undertaking activities jointly. Their implementation shall be the subject of periodic consultation.

Just two things

1. No time scale is mentioned (it could be a Hundred years hence)
2. The EU MAY conclude specific agreements, equally it may NOT

 

[oldgroaner]

With all due respect Tom, because I do think its important we all try and defuse situation ,don't you think linking this type of behaviour to leavers ( even in jest) is as dangerous and inflammatory as the fools portrayed in the spoof..
It seems to me both are designed to inflame and promote reactionary behaviour, rather than promote productive discussion...only saying...
Tillson couldn't be any further removed from those people, I,d guess just as far as yourself.

You are absolutely right, I am enraged at this sort of thing appearing.

https://twitter.com/TrumpDraws

There is no excuse for this at all, so remember not to look when clicking on the link!

 

[Zlatan]

You are absolutely right, I am enraged at this sort of thing appearing.

https://twitter.com/TrumpDraws

There is no excuse for this at all, so remember not to look when clicking on the link!

Sorry OG that's straight over my head...

And so glad to see all the oil on troubled waters is working on here...

Ahwell. C,est la vie...

 

[oldgroaner]

Sorry OG that's straight over my head...

And so glad to see all the oil on troubled waters is working on here...

Ahwell. C,est la vie...

Why am I not surprised, still good luck finding a cure for your troubled waters.
Nasty that, can completely spoil your day, and go easy on the oil.
plays havoc with the Seabirds you know.

 

[oldgroaner]

Poor old Nigel in trouble again
Nigel Farage among Ukip MEPs accused of misusing EU funds
Eight Ukip MEPs including Paul Nuttall may be forced to repay £500,000 if they are found to have breached EU funding rules

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/01/nigel-farage-among-ukip-meps-accused-of-misusing-eu-funds

Naturally its all a plot by those nasty EU politicians

 

[tillson]

Thank Heavens tillson, I am so pleased to hear that, you really had me worried there, but deep down, no matter how you wriggle you did say

"My personal view is that the UK will have a sufficiently strong arm in the forthcoming negotiations to gain meaningful reforms to the terms of our membership."

Terms of our membership means you want us to stay, how can it mean anything else?
Enlighten me.

I don't WANT us to stay to the exclusion of all other possible scenarios. In the correct circumstances, I would not rule out staying within the EU, but if nothing is forthcoming in terms of reforms, leaving is likely to be the best option.

This is called flexibility. It's really useful during negotiations. The mule like stubborn approach of we are leaving, bring it on, I want to laugh at my country failing is not productive.

 

[oldgroaner]

I don't WANT us to stay to the exclusion of all other possible scenarios. In the correct circumstances, I would not rule out staying within the EU, but if nothing is forthcoming in terms of reforms, leaving is likely to be the best option.

This is called flexibility. It's really useful during negotiations. The mule like stubborn approach of we are leaving, bring it on, I want to laugh at my country failing is not productive.

It's no good tillson you said Britain's future was better outside the EU, do I have to go back through all those earlier posts to quote you on that?

posts like this one perhaps?
"
I feel like a concierge on a magnificent ocean liner. Forging ahead, parting the seas with its great bow as it advances to an ever greater destiny.

Soon the EU will be washed away by the devastating wake of HMS BREXIT and we will be joined by a flotilla of other countries setting out on the exciting voyage.

Britannia Rules The Waves!

#1690tillson, Jun 30, 2016

And now
"In the correct circumstances, I would not rule out staying within the EU, but if nothing is forthcoming in terms of reforms, leaving is likely to be the best option."

Well looking on the bright side, some of the shine has rubbed off that initial enthusiasm hasn't it?

I don't laugh at my country, just at the people who want to damage it through ill considered gambling with it's future.
I take the future of this country as being far too important to treat it with the contempt that Brexit fans do.
It is NOT a Betting Shop, it is a country filled with real people you are willing to put at risk for no reason other than your own fantasies.
And now you seem to be hoping something will turn up to negate your foolishness?
About time, but you should have though of that before voting.

HMS Brexit indeed! do you wonder that I laugh? what else can I do in the face of a world gone mad?

 

[Danidl]

Every day seems to reveal the result of yet another poll of some kind loosely connected to the possibility of a UK secession from the EU. This one, apparently a 'Yougov' poll, conducted on behalf of the 'Open Britain' organisation, strikes me as odd because it asks about returning to negotiations AFTER a FINAL deal???

View attachment 17532

What it doesn't do is provide an option to vote for remaining in the EU and so many other discussions, polls and debates seem also to treat the whole issue as a fait accompli. This is part of the propaganda known as the 'Big Lie' - keep repeating the same story often enough, etc....!

If polls are so important these days, then given all the knowledge that has been gleaned since the first lies disseminated by the 'Brexit' proponents, why don't we simply have another referendum now with these provisos:

1) The result of the previous referendum should be disregarded as null and void.

2) Only one question but a minimum majority of 67% to 33% of the final vote will be required as an essential prerequisite before consideration, debate and action by parliament.

A failure to achieve the required majority either way should render the result null and void with no parliamentary time allotted to the matter at least until beyond the next general election. Equally, no further referendum on the same topic should be permitted in the same way.

Then we really will know what the will of the people is, definitively.

Tom

.... But by then it is too late..... Whether the British people empower their government to reject and or re negotiate is irrelevant, the horse has bolted , or whatever equivalent phase you want. Why is that simple truth not evident?
Whether the EU opts to engage in further negotiations after their offers are rejected is solely within their control.

 

[Danidl]

Sorry OG that's straight over my head...
And so glad to see all the oil on troubled waters is working on here...

Ahwell. C,est la vie...

Totally off topic but one of our national papers in a political commentary section has referred to a new tenant in Washington as thrumpthinskin . If you remember the fairy tale of Rapunzel that had a happy ending.

 

[tillson]

It's no good tillson you said Britain's future was better outside the EU, do I have to go back through all those earlier posts to quote you on that?

posts like this one perhaps?
"
I feel like a concierge on a magnificent ocean liner. Forging ahead, parting the seas with its great bow as it advances to an ever greater destiny.

Soon the EU will be washed away by the devastating wake of HMS BREXIT and we will be joined by a flotilla of other countries setting out on the exciting voyage.

Britannia Rules The Waves!

#1690tillson, Jun 30, 2016

And now
"In the correct circumstances, I would not rule out staying within the EU, but if nothing is forthcoming in terms of reforms, leaving is likely to be the best option."

Well looking on the bright side, some of the shine has rubbed off that initial enthusiasm hasn't it?

I don't laugh at my country, just at the people who want to damage it through ill considered gambling with it's future.
I take the future of this country as being far too important to treat it with the contempt that Brexit fans do.
It is NOT a Betting Shop, it is a country filled with real people you are willing to put at risk for no reason other than your own fantasies.
And now you seem to be hoping something will turn up to negate your foolishness?
About time, but you should have though of that before voting.

HMS Brexit indeed! do you wonder that I laugh? what else can I do in the face of a world gone mad?

...and?