Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

You strike me as being one of life's failures. A person who hasn't really achieved much as knows it. A real butthole.

I recognise myself from that description, but not to worry we aren't all perfect like you, tillson, and seriously I don't know anyone who has an artificial wotsitsname, unless you have?

Did you get it on the NHS or go private?
Give us a smile, the USA has a Trump, we don't need a Grump

 

[oldgroaner]

But sadly for mummy KTM it didn't work.

Isn't it great? after getting a dumb decision go marginally their way, it's put your money where your mouth is time for the Brexit fans
Are you still expecting promises to be kept that the leave campaign made?
Go on make me smile and say they will.
Where's the guarantee of better times after Brexit? still working on it?
Don't keep us in suspense, out with it!
Let's have that Rees Mogg Agincourt speech to inspire us

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

But sadly for mummy KTM it didn't work.

well you don't know that do you. Did you see the standing ovation Ken Clarke got yesterday. The MPs and Lords are just waiting for something to happen so they can kick this to the kerb for another generation.

We've not left yet, so you have no idea if my Mum's plans are working or not.

The current method of allowing "leave" to show what it's made of might actually make the EU better and mean we're more likely to be in it long term, than simply "remain"ing at the referendum.

 

[tillson]

I recognise myself from that description, but not to worry we aren't all perfect like you, tillson, and seriously I don't know anyone who has an artificial wotsitsname, unless you have?

Did you get it on the NHS or go private?
Give us a smile, the USA has a Trump, we don't need a Grump

I've never claimed to be perfect OG and I have made plenty of mistakes.

But as I said earlier, olde thomas is a butthole and an underachiever, so no harm done.

 

[oldtom]

This is a powerful piece from Denmark although I suspect it won't be appreciated by the 'Brexit' camp, so entrenched in their hatred of foreign people and of many groups of British people that common purpose, togetherness and the advancement of humanity in friendship are anathema to them.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

I've never claimed to be perfect OG and I have made plenty of mistakes.

But as I said earlier, olde thomas is a butthole and an underachiever, so no harm done.

But you are perhaps a little down on your luck, for every day something tom says keeps "Striking" you.

Perhaps your "Righteous Indignation Shielding" has taken one too many hits and is not answering the controls too well.

Not to worry, there is something you can do about that.
Tinfoil hats are in vogue due to Brexit at the moment, very chic I'm told.
Highly Recommended!

Mine was "Made in America" should come in handy for that state visit.

 

[tillson]

well you don't know that do you. Did you see the standing ovation Ken Clarke got yesterday. The MPs and Lords are just waiting for something to happen so they can kick this to the kerb for another generation.

We've not left yet, so you have no idea if my Mum's plans are working or not.

The current method of allowing "leave" to show what it's made of might actually make the EU better and mean we're more likely to be in it long term, than simply "remain"ing at the referendum.

I actually agree with quite a bit of what you say. Instead of whingeing and moaning and predicting and insulting, like many on here do, the remain MPs actually have a clever strategy which is admirable.

They have given May and BREXIT a length of rope and their blessing to get on and do whatever they please with it. Now they will do one of two thing, they will either use the rope to haul us out of the EU and to a better place, or they will hang themselves with it.

My personal view is that the UK will have a sufficiently strong arm in the forthcoming negotiations to gain meaningful reforms to the terms of our membership. If May doesn't achieve that and the deal on offer looks bad, remain will have something tangible to use against her and a vote against BREXIT will go down better in individual constituencies.

 

[tillson]

But you are perhaps a little down on your luck, for every day something tom says keeps "Striking" you.

Perhaps your "Righteous Indignation Shielding" has taken one too many hits and is not answering the controls too well.

Not to worry, there is something you can do about that.
Tinfoil hats are in vogue due to Brexit at the moment, very chic I'm told.
Highly Recommended!

Mine was "Made in America" should come in handy for that state visit.

I'm not sure that it is everyday that something strikes me, but I am sure that old tom is a butthole. I'm very certain about that.

 

[oldgroaner]

My personal view is that the UK will have a sufficiently strong arm in the forthcoming negotiations to gain meaningful reforms to the terms of our membership.

Gotcha as a certain Female American Politician might say
you are a SECRET REMAINER.

You have ruined everything! a thousand Hairy Curses!
Who is there left for me to argue with?

(And it's no good saying Zlatan 'cause he's in the process of "Striking his colours as well!)
How can you do this to me?

Is this the end of the thread as we know it today?
Woe and thrice woe!

 

[tillson]

Gotcha as a certain Female American Politician might say
you are a SECRET REMAINER.

You have ruined everything! a thousand Hairy Curses!
Who is there left for me to argue with?

(And it's no good saying Zlatan 'cause he's in the process of "Striking his colours as well!)
How can you do this to me?

Is this the end of the thread as we know it today?
Woe and thrice woe!

You seem to have picked up the bottle containing pi$$ and not the one containing vinegar. To make matters worse, you have doused your chips with it.

 

[shemozzle999]

After we leave the EU with or without an agreement there will have to be further future ongoing talks under Article 8 as it is mandatory on the EU with the inclusion of the word "shall" in the treaty.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Some facts to come out of parliament today...
Leavers say that staying in the single market was not a Tory pledge,but on page 72 of the Tory manifesto it clearly says the tories say yes to the single market,Cameron repeated that phrase prior to the referendum,but unallected Theresa May has chosen to ignore it.
I wonder if Cameron had triggered Article 50 immediately after the vote,whether he would now be negotiating to stay in the single market?

The governments own customs lawyers have told May that her desire for a 'frictionless' border with Ireland cannot be achieved.
If the UK quits the customs union then the free movement of goods across the border would be illegal,a hard border is inevitable.
How is May proposing to overcome this?

KudosDave

 

[Woosh]

her desire for a 'frictionless' border with Ireland cannot be achieved.

I'd set up a shop at the border

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

well if nothing else we can thank the EU parliament for this today.

 

[flecc]

The governments own customs lawyers have told May that her desire for a 'frictionless' border with Ireland cannot be achieved.
If the UK quits the customs union then the free movement of goods across the border would be illegal,a hard border is inevitable.
How is May proposing to overcome this?

The locals will overcome it as they always have, just crossing anyway regardless of what the law says.

Theres a similar situation at the Norway-Russia border, the latter under sanctions. But every day both sides wanting to trade gather at the border and cross to communicate and trade. The understanding with the border guards is that as long as they stay in sight of the border, no-one will be bothered.

I doubt the Irish on both sides will even bother to stay in sight.
.

 

[Zlatan]

Which of the Pedelecs 'Brexit' Appreciation Society organised this photo shoot and which one is Tillson....or is he the one behind the camera?

It must be reassuring for the far right to know that these people will be on the streets, assisting the forces of law and order in ensuring public obediance after secession from the EU.

View attachment 17531

The full story can be read here:

http://www.newscrasher.com/2017/01/29/far-right-activist-spends-hours-creating-meme-littered-with-grammatical-errors/

Enjoy

Tom

With all due respect Tom, because I do think its important we all try and defuse situation ,don't you think linking this type of behaviour to leavers ( even in jest) is as dangerous and inflammatory as the fools portrayed in the spoof..
It seems to me both are designed to inflame and promote reactionary behaviour, rather than promote productive discussion...only saying...
Tillson couldn't be any further removed from those people, I,d guess just as far as yourself.

 

[Kudoscycles]

The locals will overcome it as they always have, just crossing anyway regardless of what the law says.

Theres a similar situation at the Norway-Russia border, the latter under sanctions. But every day both sides wanting to trade gather at the border and cross to communicate and trade. The understanding with the border guards is that as long as they stay in sight of the border, no-one will be bothered.

I doubt the Irish on both sides will even bother to stay in sight.
.

Do you remember the hungry homing pigs,hehe
KudosDave

 

[Danidl]

After we leave the EU with or without an agreement there will have to be further future ongoing talks under Article 8 as it is mandatory on the EU with the inclusion of the word "shall" in the treaty.

For the purposes of discussion this is article 8.


The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

2. For the purposes of paragraph 1, the Union may conclude specific agreements with the countries concerned. These agreements may contain reciprocal rights and obligations as well as the possibility of undertaking activities jointly. Their implementation shall be the subject of periodic consultation.

 

[anotherkiwi]

For the purposes of discussion this is article 8.


The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

2. For the purposes of paragraph 1, the Union may conclude specific agreements with the countries concerned. These agreements may contain reciprocal rights and obligations as well as the possibility of undertaking activities jointly. Their implementation shall be the subject of periodic consultation.

May et al: "We'll have the rights with no obligations please!"

 

[oldtom]

After we leave the EU with or without an agreement there will have to be further future ongoing talks under Article 8 as it is mandatory on the EU with the inclusion of the word "shall" in the treaty.

Every day seems to reveal the result of yet another poll of some kind loosely connected to the possibility of a UK secession from the EU. This one, apparently a 'Yougov' poll, conducted on behalf of the 'Open Britain' organisation, strikes me as odd because it asks about returning to negotiations AFTER a FINAL deal???



What it doesn't do is provide an option to vote for remaining in the EU and so many other discussions, polls and debates seem also to treat the whole issue as a fait accompli. This is part of the propaganda known as the 'Big Lie' - keep repeating the same story often enough, etc....!

If polls are so important these days, then given all the knowledge that has been gleaned since the first lies disseminated by the 'Brexit' proponents, why don't we simply have another referendum now with these provisos:

1) The result of the previous referendum should be disregarded as null and void.

2) Only one question but a minimum majority of 67% to 33% of the final vote will be required as an essential prerequisite before consideration, debate and action by parliament.

A failure to achieve the required majority either way should render the result null and void with no parliamentary time allotted to the matter at least until beyond the next general election. Equally, no further referendum on the same topic should be permitted in the same way.

Then we really will know what the will of the people is, definitively.

Tom