Brexit, for once some facts.

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I've held back from challenging this previously, but I'm sure it's untrue. The views we saw of people celebrating the Brexit vote showed that youngish and middle aged people dominated, with little signs of the older males. The oft repeated shot of the North-East celebration with the youngish woman who'd campaigned for Brexit being raised on shoulders is typical. The West Midlands celebrations looked similar.

This thread repeats that theme, the white male old'uns like Old Groaner, Old Tom and myself all remainers and collecting plenty of likes and agrees from other older members.

While Zlatan, Tillson and others who are patently not very old are ardent Brexiters.
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As I said, its a generalization... but it is correct according to all the stats.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum

and pretty much every other analysis. I know on a cycling forum you're average older user is more tolerant, than if we were on another type of forum.

So I was very careful with my wording.

However I'm afraid its pretty much universally agreed, that this vote was the result of older generation, who are in many cases the ones who were more likely to vote.

 

[Danidl]

All been rather a futile waste of time and money if MPs vote ( as they are now saying) to trigger article fifty. Wonder how much money judges and lawyers have made since Gina Miller initiated the court proceedings.

Rule of law futile?

Had your PM initiated discussion and a vote in your parliment there would have been no need for two court cases . The key point is was that she was acting ultra vires . It is always necessary for the law to hold the powerful to account.

 

[oldgroaner]

It's just the anti-BREXIT mob whipping up hysteria.

You appear to be confused as Brexit was in fact voted for by the "mob" as it wasn't based on anything other that lies, misplaced anger and confusion, and of course some people thought they could profit from the misfortune of the public.
Voting for Remain was a vote for continuation of an agreement that was mutually beneficial
Hardly Mob mentality was it?
Weird logic you seem to employ as it isn't logical at all.
It was a protest vote, that's all and not legally binding.

 

[anotherkiwi]

Weird logic is the future! We enter a brave new world...

 

[oldgroaner]

Assuming parliament vote against leaving ( which is a distinct possibly) what ramifications will that have.
ie) Does it make May's position untenable ?

Of course not, she will simply apply Groucho Marx's maxim
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
It works for Boris every time!

 

[oldgroaner]

Do you know anyone from the EU who is currently in the UK?

Actually there are about 65Million of us at the last count.....

 

[tillson]

You appear to be confused as Brexit was in fact voted for by the "mob" as it wasn't based on anything other that lies, misplaced anger and confusion, and of course some people thought they could profit from the misfortune of the public.
Voting for Remain was a vote for continuation of an agreement that was mutually beneficial
Hardly Mob mentality was it?
Weird logic you seem to employ as it isn't logical at all.
It was a protest vote, that's all and not legally binding.

That depends on your view point. I see BREXIT as a democratic decision taken by the British public.

I see remain as a mob of pitchfork and flaming torch wielding individuals who have been soured by the democratic outcome. Such is their discontent that they are prepared to pin any detestable happening to the BREXIT mast.

 

[oldgroaner]

All been rather a futile waste of time and money if MPs vote ( as they are now saying) to trigger article fifty. Wonder how much money judges and lawyers have made since Gina Miller initiated the court proceedings.

As usual you missed the point entirely

"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five."
Groucho Marx

 

[anotherkiwi]

That depends on your view point. I see BREXIT as a democratic decision taken by the British public.

I see remain as a mob of pitchfork and flaming torch wielding individuals who have been soured by the democratic outcome. Such is their discontent that they are prepared to pin any detestable happening to the BREXIT mast.

Well put tilson! A huge majority voted for brexit in one of the biggest electoral turnouts of all time. Donald said so, it must be true!

 

[tillson]

Well put tilson! A huge majority voted for brexit in one of the biggest electoral turnouts of all time. Donald said so, it must be true!

I'm thrilled by the prospect of us eventually agreeing on something.

 

[anotherkiwi]

I am adapting to the new world order: peace is war, truth is lies, the earth is flat! Alternative facts are such a handy thing one wonders why they fell from favour

 

[oldgroaner]

That depends on your view point. I see BREXIT as a democratic decision taken by the British public.

I see remain as a mob of pitchfork and flaming torch wielding individuals who have been soured by the democratic outcome. Such is their discontent that they are prepared to pin any detestable happening to the BREXIT mast.

You really should have gone to Specsavers!

If I can misquote an old Monty python line
"You have insulted the good name of Brexit
To which the answer is of course
Don't be ridiculous Brexit hasn't got a good name!"

Face facts when the referendum vote was taken those who voted to remain knew what they were doing and what to expect

Those who voted to leave the EU believed a pack of lies and promises from blaggards who fled the field at warp factor ten, and that includes the imbecile Cameron who made the rash promise to abide by this hideously stupid decision

They had no idea of what would happen, and they still don't. as the right wing press is still selling them the same lies, and no one is even trying to get the truth to the public.

History will record this as an act of Collective Self Harming Insanity.
I'm all in favour of this Article 50 business, after all it's pretty much like watching motor racing in the hope of seeing some spectacular crashes.
Bring it on!

 

[oldgroaner]

I'm thrilled by the prospect of us eventually agreeing on something.

Very witty!

 

[anotherkiwi]

Alternative facts OG! You really aren't in the know of this brave new world yet are you?

 

[oldgroaner]

Weird logic is the future! We enter a brave new world...

I take issue with that
This "new world" is both Cowardly and a throwback to the past!

 

[flecc]

However I'm afraid its pretty much universally agreed, that this vote was the result of older generation, who are in many cases the ones who were more likely to vote.

I think it's far more marginal than this implies, like the referendum result.

This extract from your linked article is relevant:

"A higher median age meant an area was slightly more likely to vote for Remain, though the correlation is surprisingly weak given YouGov’s age findings."

And that's my view on the Brexit vote cause, blaming older generation white male opinion is based on very shaky foundations.

The same pundits state that the 18-24 age group were strongly for remain, but we know they widely failed to turn out to vote while the older generation did turn out. Despite that the refendum result was very marginal, so one might as well blame the result on the failure of the 18-24s to turn out as blame the older generation for the way they voted.

And why blame males in particular, when the same pundits say there was almost no difference between the genders on voting intentions. That makes older white females just as much to blame, if there is any blame.

I don't think there is any group to blame, if all ages had turned out to vote the result could easily have been the opposite or effectively a draw. It was a fixed result anyway, with 16-18s and ex-mainland EU nationals resident in the UK excluded when they clearly had every right to a vote on this issue.
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[Kudoscycles]

That depends on your view point. I see BREXIT as a democratic decision taken by the British public.

I see remain as a mob of pitchfork and flaming torch wielding individuals who have been soured by the democratic outcome. Such is their discontent that they are prepared to pin any detestable happening to the BREXIT mast.

Not true,the people who have just won the supreme court action are certainly not your mob of pitch fork individuals,they chose to use the law to ensure our rights are upheld and not taken away by right wing fascists.
However,when the northern poor wake up to the fact that they have been conned by those same right wingers,then I can see the mob as you describe burning cars and smashing windows.
This mob wont be Remainers it will be disgruntled Leavers.
Theresa May realises the problem so she is resurrecting Osborne's northern powerhouse but its all rhetoric,she is not putting any new money behind it,just trying to pacify the north before the leave mob goes on the rampage.
There was a typical leaver on one of the news comments....'I'm fed up with this Brexit,it's going nowhere ,THE POTHOLES ARE WORSE THEN EVER',a typical informed leaver,hehe!!!!
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Alternative facts OG! You really aren't in the know of this brave new world yet are you?

You've got me wrong i'm all for the lesson to begin!

I have developed a passion for living dangerously after going down a mile long one in three hill on my Brompton
Oh! the intoxicating smell of burnt brake blocks, hot tyres about to burst and glowing wheel rims you cannot touch!
The excitement, the adrenaline charge, the sheer hell may care stupidity of it!

Puts me in the mood for living in this post Brexit world! and just about as risky too!

 

[tillson]

Not true,the people who have just won the supreme court action are certainly not your mob of pitch fork individuals,they chose to use the law to ensure our rights are upheld and not taken away by right wing fascists.
However,when the northern poor wake up to the fact that they have been conned by those same right wingers,then I can see the mob as you describe burning cars and smashing windows.
This mob wont be Remainers it will be disgruntled Leavers.
Theresa May realises the problem so she is resurrecting Osborne's northern powerhouse but its all rhetoric,she is not putting any new money behind it,just trying to pacify the north before the leave mob goes on the rampage.
There was a typical leaver on one of the news comments....'I'm fed up with this Brexit,it's going nowhere ,THE POTHOLES ARE WORSE THEN EVER',a typical informed leaver,hehe!!!!
KudosDave

I'm touched by your benevolence towards the northern poor. How lucky they are to have you as their guardian angle. There to deliver them from ignorance and stupidity.

Alternatively, they might not give a monkey's chuff what you think.

 

[tillson]

You've got me wrong i'm all for the lesson to begin!

I have developed a passion for living dangerously after going down a mile long one in three hill on my Brompton
Oh! the intoxicating smell of burnt brake blocks, hot tyres about to burst and glowing wheel rims you cannot touch!
The excitement, the adrenaline charge, the sheer hell may care stupidity of it!

Puts me in the mood for living in this post Brexit world! and just about as risky too!

I'm pleased to hear that you are coming around to the idea of BREXIT.