Let us hope for all our sakes, if Brexit does go ahead, that they are successful as the consequence of failure is something we must avoid at all costs.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Memo to self: wear the clan tartan when visiting France: last time I wore it was at a funeral (I was saving it for mine)I loved the photos of May getting the cold shoulder treatment from her "peers" at the EU meeting. I rejoin @Danidl's comments above.
Appreciation of UK residents from the French side:
- The French love the Scots, very long historical ties, "Oh you're Scottish! For a moment I was afraid you might be English..." I have often heard
- The English are considered quaint, eccentric and a little bewildering at times, OK completely bewildering
- the Welsh are admired by the Basques for their rugby and singing
- the Irish tend to be considered as one people not two
- your youth is considered as "lost": rude, vulgar, violent and drunkard - cheap holidays in Benidorm have not improved your image...
No hatred to be seen, even after a six Nations defeat!
Rather a biased analysis. What about Woodruff report. Hargreaves investment analysis. Lyons study ?
All dismissed. As normal.
Outrage in the Daily Express!
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SO MUCH FOR DEMOCRACY: Swiss referendum to END mass migration from EU is IGNORED
SWISS politicians have sparked outrage after ignoring a historic referendum vote to end freedom of movement."
Actually it would be madness to risk the future of the country on the basis of this result
For ending mass migraton 50.33%
Against 49.67%
For some reason the Express didn't publish the results
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SO MUCH FOR DEMOCRACY: Swiss referendum to END mass migration from EU is IGNORED
SWISS politicians have sparked outrage after ignoring a historic referendum vote to end freedom of movement."
Actually it would be madness to risk the future of the country on the basis of this result
For ending mass migraton 50.33%
Against 49.67%
For some reason the Express didn't publish the results
what is not biased is the economic law of gravity.
"The interactions between two countries tend to go up in proportion to the product of their GDP, and vary inversely with the squared distance between them."
Minford's model does not use this basic law.
H&L also distance themselves from the view of Peter Hargreaves.
HL distance themselves from either view on political reasons. If you read their investment report their view is long term positive for Brexit.
Woodruff argues similar as does Lyons. Infact there is fairly equal support for Brexit amongst economists, contrary to belief put forward on here or by remainers.
Woodruff argues similar as does Lyons. Infact there is fairly equal support for Brexit amongst economists, contrary to belief put forward on here or by remainers.
Of course it's long term positive, they have a vested interest in people continuing to invest! Nothing will prompt them to be gloomy and harm their own business.
The snag being that economists of all persuasions so often get it wrong. That's why I ignore their predictions and judge from known and proven factors.
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It seems the Japanese Banks don't agree with these wildly optimistic Brexit boom predictions.
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Japanese banks have told Philip Hammond they will begin moving operations to the EU within six months unless the Government can provide clarity on the UK’s access to the single market.
Banks including Nomura and Daiwa Capital Markets, which employ thousands of people in Britain, reportedly held a “frank” meeting with the Chancellor on 1 December."
So much for the opinions of the "pay me a fat fee and I'll tell you what you want to hear school Economists" whose sole aim is to con investors.
Only the foolish believe them.
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Japanese banks have told Philip Hammond they will begin moving operations to the EU within six months unless the Government can provide clarity on the UK’s access to the single market.
Banks including Nomura and Daiwa Capital Markets, which employ thousands of people in Britain, reportedly held a “frank” meeting with the Chancellor on 1 December."
So much for the opinions of the "pay me a fat fee and I'll tell you what you want to hear school Economists" whose sole aim is to con investors.
Only the foolish believe them.
Including both yourself and those of a negative attitude to leaving. Your comment, although valid, cuts both ways. Seems to me though Flecc generally folk on here take any negative predictions as correct, yet dismiss positive ones quite off hand.( as you did with Minford,Hargreaves and Woodruff)
There are two sides to this Flecc ,, anyone reading this Forum would think otherwise..
Its in HL,s interest to be non political and say it as they see it. They have built up a reputation of beibg sincere and efficient. They would not risk loosing that reputation by simply pedalling what some folk wish to hear.
Peter Hargreaves has absolutely nothing to gain by saying things he had.. He simply believes it based on 40 years of world wide investing and building HL to become arguably biggest Stock Broker / Financial Consultants in UK with absolutely no political ties. I,m fairly sure he knows 10 times more than anyone posting on here, but you dismiss his arguments...???
Dismissing his,Minford,Lyons and Woodruff is akin to dismissing Alex Fergusson, Harry Rednap, Jamie Carragher and Roy Hodgson in an argument about football..
And exactly what proven factors are you privvy to they are not ? What do you think these people are judging the future on and why assume your assessment is some how more accurate than theirs.?? Yes, nobody really knows, neither you or I or folk mentioned but to dismiss one side because their reasons conflict with personal views is wrong and is the cause of much of the argument.
Folk proclaiming doom simply do not know but why give their arguments more credence than others.
The reason is simple. The negative predictions align with your own.
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Amazing how the obvious eludes this poster, quite simply brexit is a confidence trick being perpetrated by the elite to take absolute control over the public, abuse their rights and swindle them.
Unfortunately there are some individuals who think they will profit from it at the expense of others pretending all along that all will benefit, when there is absolutely no evidence in support of this other than the weasel words of a group who let's face it are in bed with the very people promoting this for their personal benefit.
If a thing looks and sounds too good to be true, it generally is, and pointing out that these people have a record of making a fortune from their dubious financial swindles merely serves to discredit them further.
The acid test is simply this, have these people ever done anything in the past that has benefited the public?
No, and they never will.
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Agreed, which is why I said economists of all persuasions, not just one side.
Previously answered for you in full. Nor did I ever say they were privy to me or not available to them.
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They (Minford, Lyons and Woodruff) have achieved celebrity status with brexit.
Not admired by their peers though.
Not much of a compliment when The Cheshire Cat, and Tweedledum and Tweedledee have achieved notoriety as "The three Brexiteers."
I'm sure you can work out which is which!
Mind you we have much more entertaining Pantomimes at The Lightstream stadium in Hull.
This is our "Wicked Queen"
No leather trousers here you will note!
"Nuff said!
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Agreed but neither is Hargreaves...common thing is they are positive about Brexit...which is kiss of death on here.
No, the common thing on here is we are well aware there isn't anything positive about brexit, and so far you haven't said anything to prove otherwise
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Here as the final kiss of Death to the Hopes of the pro Brexit voters are the words of Davis
"“Asked if he thought discussion of issues like preferential, skill-based migration for EU citizens would feature in the negotiations, Mr Davis said: “No, I don't.I think that the operation of that decision after we have left the European Union will be in the national interest and that will affect all levels of skill - the judgment that the Government comes to as to what's necessary for universities, what's necessary for business, and what's necessary for fruit picking.”
So much for the notion widely held that things will change and immigration fall as a result of Brexit.
It was all a confidence trick
What is to stop them raising the number coming in?
Brexit =own goal in the Final Seconds of the Cup Final when the result would have been a Draw and a rematch possible.
"“Asked if he thought discussion of issues like preferential, skill-based migration for EU citizens would feature in the negotiations, Mr Davis said: “No, I don't.I think that the operation of that decision after we have left the European Union will be in the national interest and that will affect all levels of skill - the judgment that the Government comes to as to what's necessary for universities, what's necessary for business, and what's necessary for fruit picking.”
So much for the notion widely held that things will change and immigration fall as a result of Brexit.
It was all a confidence trick
What is to stop them raising the number coming in?
Brexit =own goal in the Final Seconds of the Cup Final when the result would have been a Draw and a rematch possible.
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Lynda?Not much of a compliment when The Cheshire Cat, and Tweedledum and Tweedledee have achieved notoriety as "The three Brexiteers."
I'm sure you can work out which is which!
Mind you we have much more entertaining Pantomimes at The Lightstream stadium in Hull.
This is our "Wicked Queen"
No leather trousers here you will note!
"Nuff said!