Brexit, for once some facts.

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I recommend you get a bike & go out more;)
I just did and it was stimulating, as there were the usual 200 plus runners gasping and gurgling as they ran round the park, and I swept serenely past, wishing people "Good Morning" here and there.
I could really have done with some leaflets on Ebikes to hand out by the looks on some of their faces.
Thank goodness I'm not well enough for this keep fit thingy, it looks painful!
I remember the wise words of Alred Hitchcock the Director, when asked if he ever took part in running and he replied.
"If I was meant to run
I would have been born with wheels" :cool:
 

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Have we noticed that Theresa May gets let off the Brexit bad news by the press....
Boris's £350 million to go to the NHS hardly gets a mention,yet millions of Leavers voted for this,it was their most important pledge.
Theresa May's obvious strong pro Remain stance in the Goldman tape was only featured in the Guardian,the BBC never mentioned it.
Now the Nissan deal is so secret,what did she promise to Nissan to keep them in the UK and to help May even announced an expansion,that must have been some inducement,a couple of days and the press will stop chasing.
It seems only the Guardian is championing the Remain side.
Has the press been got at by Commissar May?
Some guy said on here that I should stop moaning and give May a chance...yesterday I paid the bill to a brakes supplier,these brakes are used by most of the kit car manufacturers in the UK,my accounts lady told me that the bill was £44,000 more due to Brexit,that is real and focuses the mind.....I said,cheer me up,go away and make me a cup of tea,she pointed out that Typhoo had just gone up!!!!
All these brakes will now be increased in price to the small manufacturers on November 1,flak hats on !!!!!
But Brexit means Brexit and we are told we are all Brexiters now ,just get on with it. From my viewpoint Brexit is a disaster,will a Leaver please tell me what is the prize when we exit the EU?
fed up,KudosDave.
 
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what is the prize when we exit the EU?
A return to the halcyon days when the UK government could freely abuse its subjects civil and human rights without the EU stopping them doing that.

It's got a name, its called sovereignty.
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A return to the halcyon days when the UK government could freely abuse its subjects civil and human rights without the EU stopping them doing that.

It's got a name, its called sovereignty.
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It might be argued of course that the EU was only partially successful in that noble aim.
And now all hell will break loose!
 
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When Hammond sees the extent of the fall in tax take,will he increase taxes or borrow more?
He can't put VAT up with all the price rises happening.
He can't put Income Tax up,that would cause riots in Hartlepool
He can't increase corporation tax,especially after the Nissan deal
So where is he going to get the money to satisfy all the promises that Hammond,May and Boris have made?
The answer....BORROW????
KudosDave
 
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When Hammond sees the extent of the fall in tax take,will he increase taxes or borrow more?
A mix of borrowing and tax creep.

At one not so long ago time tax as it affected the person was simple, it was income tax and purchase tax on goods bought, plus some excise duties.

VAT was the first example of tax creep of course, extending purchase tax to a far wider range of goods, and also to services for the first time.

Since then we've seen a steady flow of additions to the range, including such as prescription charges, dental and eye care charges, company car tax, a tax on insurance premiums, a tax on aircraft landings and many even more rarified things like the registration tax on individual buy-to-let landlords.

The obscure department of the treasury which spends it's whole time searching for things not yet taxed will probably be put on overtime. There's still plenty of opportunities to get more from us, for example all that private trading on ebay, gumtree etc., not to mention boot sales, all ripe for exploitation.

And what about a logistics tax? All the online trading we do now has meant a huge growth in distribution and delivery services. That must be very tempting, since it gives an opportunity to secretly tax our food via its home deliveries, something VAT currently denies.

All a far cry from 110 years ago when the only personal tax was income tax at 4 old pence in the pound, 2.4%

Our future holds many prospects, few of them joyful.
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KD, newspapers that support remain: the Independent, the Guardian and the Mirror to a lesser extent.

The Independent has a story about Mrs May:

in 2007 Ms May, then the shadow leader of the Commons, claimed that ministers should have to set out their negotiating positions to a Commons committee “and gain its approval” before talks with the EU.
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“In our constitution, Parliament is supposed to be sovereign, but this weakness means that in practice it is not. We therefore need a system that gives Parliament real powers over ministers, enough time to scrutinise new EU laws, and the transparency to restore public trust in the process.”
Unbelievable. How can you trust anything poticians say?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-article-50-brussels-negotiating-strategy-brussels-a7386156.html
 

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A mix of borrowing and tax creep.

At one not so long ago time tax as it affected the person was simple, it was income tax and purchase tax on goods bought, plus some excise duties.

VAT was the first example of tax creep of course, extending purchase tax to a far wider range of goods, and also to services for the first time.

Since then we've seen a steady flow of additions to the range, including such as prescription charges, dental and eye care charges, company car tax, a tax on insurance premiums, a tax on aircraft landings and many even more rarified things like the registration tax on individual buy-to-let landlords.

The obscure department of the treasury which spends it's whole time searching for things not yet taxed will probably be put on overtime. There's still plenty of opportunities to get more from us, for example all that private trading on ebay, gumtree etc., not to mention boot sales, all ripe for exploitation.

And what about a logistics tax? All the online trading we do now has meant a huge growth in distribution and delivery services. That must be very tempting, since it gives an opportunity to secretly tax our food via its home deliveries, something VAT currently denies.

All a far cry from 110 years ago when the only personal tax was income tax at 4 old pence in the pound, 2.4%

Our future holds many prospects, few of them joyful.
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May I take liberties with the last line of your post?
The future of "The Few" holds many joyful prospects.
Which is why they went to so much trouble to poison the voting public against the future and present better times the protection of the EU had so far prevented them from utterly destroying.

Now they are in a position to descend like wolves on helpless prey.
 
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KD, newspapers that support remain: the Independent, the Guardian and the Mirror to a lesser extent.

The Independent has a story about Mrs May:

in 2007 Ms May, then the shadow leader of the Commons, claimed that ministers should have to set out their negotiating positions to a Commons committee “and gain its approval” before talks with the EU.


Unbelievable. How can you trust anything poticians say?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-article-50-brussels-negotiating-strategy-brussels-a7386156.html
There is an infallible method of discerning the truth: simply INVERT and REVERSE all statements they make and assume a universal stance that anything promised, signed, uttered, written, referred or alluded to is untrue.
Q; did I miss anything there?
 
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@flecc I notice you have discretely changed your avatar. Is it brexit that has pushed you to the ingestion of magic mushrooms? :D
 
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@flecc I notice you have discretely changed your avatar. Is it brexit that has pushed you to the ingestion of magic mushrooms? :D
Well spotted. No, the natural world of the UK is my main subject these days and it just occurred to me that Pisaura mirabilis (Nursery Web Spider) had received more than enough exposure. Since this is the main fungi time of the year, a clump of Mycena crocata (Saffron Drop Bonnet) seemed appropriate for a while.
These aren't hallucinogenic, my full pic below:

Mycena crocata, Saffron Drop Bonnet.jpg
 
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Is that a mistake or am I missing something?:confused:

By my reckoning, four old pennies as a percentage of an old pound, (240d), comes out as 1.666%

Tom
Yes it was Tom, just using the simple division in error. The true figure just makes the contrast between the taxes back then and those now all the worse.
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When Hammond sees the extent of the fall in tax take,will he increase taxes or borrow more?
He can't put VAT up with all the price rises happening.
He can't put Income Tax up,that would cause riots in Hartlepool
He can't increase corporation tax,especially after the Nissan deal
So where is he going to get the money to satisfy all the promises that Hammond,May and Boris have made?
The answer....BORROW????
KudosDave
Or find some more of the Family silver to sell off? and there's always the prospect of selling arms to some reputable Middle Eastern or African Regime with a Spotless Human Rights Record of course.
 
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The Richmond by election is a problem for Theresa May...Zac Goldsmith resigned against the third runway,May has decided not to pool a Tory candidate because it will split the vote and let the lib-dems in.
But the Tories cannot be seen to support Zac,but the Tory office has posters in support of him,despite his mandate about Heathrow being directly in opposition to May's decision.
Is the by election anti Heathrow or anti Brexit?
All these problems come about because so many in the government are not supportive of May's journey,hence all the back door leaks out of Cabinet,there will be more problems ahead.
What a mess,hehe.
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definitely anti brexit.
the UK is in the middle of a civil war at the moment.
 
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Kudoscycles

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May doesn't care a hoot about Heathrow or Brexit,she just wants to hold onto the top job and stuff the country or the rest of us.
This is one very dangerous lady,her appearance is of your favourite aunt,but we could possibly be giving her the right to to throw the switch,in isolation,that is the biggest political decision that this country has made since WW2.
I actually feel sorry for her,she has been given a poison chalice,that she cannot rid herself of. She wanted to take over the PM to further Grammar Schools or rid us of the ECJ,Brexit came with the job and she needs to make a success of it to stay PM,but I don't think she is really comfortable with it.
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they are obsessed with being part of history nevermind the cost to 64 non-millionaires of this country.
 
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