Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

That's exactly what he said and as usual you are trying to skew it to fit your agenda. Seems to be a habit of yours!!

I will use small words in the hope you understand.
You missed "It appears " at the start of his posting,
The meaning is
"Appear: how something looks.We use appear to say how something looks or seems to look. We usually follow it by an adjective or by a to-infinitive: … Appear meaning 'come into sight'Appear also means 'become noticeable':
To any normal person this is not a confirmation of something, merely that something gives or causes a certain "appearance" which is not in fact necessarily a reality or a certain person's opinion.

He was referring to the Public perception of the situation.
No skewing involved just the difference between a person who understands the nuances of the language and someone who either doesn't understand them, or does, but wants to adopt a point of view that doesn't bother with the facts. and is determined to NOT SEE what is before his eyes.

 

[derf]

So everyone who voted to leave is an idiot and those who voted to stay are wise enlightened people. Guess we know which side you are on

in reality he was making a plea for some common ground between us. Ironic that you got it wrong. Common ground is difficult when we speak different languages. To me this (the disagreement on the forum) is still very much a tiff in the dining room of the titannic about the soufflé. out there the berg (aka international investors etc) are happily grinding away the plates. But I've given up trying to discuss that, it does not seem to be on the menu for brexiters.

 

[oldgroaner]

in reality he was making a plea for some common ground between us. Ironic that you got it wrong. Common ground is difficult when we speak different languages. To me this (the disagreement on the forum) is still very much a tiff in the dining room of the titannic about the soufflé. out there the berg (aka international investors etc) are happily grinding away the plates. But I've given up trying to discuss that, it does not seem to be on the menu for brexiters.

Hush now! ist verboten to discuss the elephant in the room!
Well you know what I mean... Rather like the Fawlty towers line "don't mention the war!"[emoji1]
I have come to the conclusion that the British have become so factionalised that we are, as was once said about us and the Americans,
Divided by a common language.

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[flecc]

This is what Kudosdave posted:

"It appears that those who voted Remain and are not happy about the Leave vote are Remoaners. Those who voted Leave at any cost are Brexidiots.
Is there are middle ground?
KudosDave"

And this was your response:

"So everyone who voted to leave is an idiot and those who voted to stay are wise enlightened people. Guess we know which side you are on"

Clearly he made no use of wise enlightened or anything remotely meaning that, both sides referred to in critical terms, so you are wrong in your comment below:

That's exactly what he said

It is you who is grossly distorting since KudosDave's post was clearly impartial, referring to both sides in less than complimentary terms.
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[homemoz]

I wasn't going to post again on this forum but heyho...
A 16th century philosopher, Lipsius, made suggestions to help people cope with adverse situations. Just been reading a article on him. Lipsius recounts the death tolls of various wars & then continues with graphic descriptions of ancient plagues & famines. His point is that public evils are a constant feature of history & so we shouldn't be surprised to find them in our own time. The philosophy is one of moral distance. If we step back & consider evils in a wider historical context they are perceived as neither especially grievous or unusual. For Lipsius reflection on past evils can be a chilling way to put our troubles into stark perspective. As the article puts it. Our troubles seem much more significant than they actually are. So my take from this is that I would rather have Brexit than 90% of the stuff that's around in the world. Maybe in the grand scheme of things we should be grateful that's all we've got & just enjoy the day.....


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[flecc]

Maybe in the grand scheme of things we should be grateful that's all we've got & just enjoy the day.....

It's precisely because we are grateful for what we've got that we want to keep it, so argue against the Brexit loss.
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[oldtom]

The Great Repeal Act,is packaged as a getting back our sovereignty and our own law making
KudosDave

This has been bandied about frequently yet it is the stuff of myth! The UK has never lost its sovereignty nor its ability to create or alter British laws so we cannot take back what has never been lost or ceded.

The simpletons in our society love to grab hold of any xenophobic material spouted by the rabble-rousers like Farage and Co. and haven't the intelligence to understand, for example, what sovereignty actually is. They like what they hear and haven't the wit to question such claims. Unfortunately, the typical 'Brexidiot' is anchored to the 'Two world wars and one world cup' mentality so beloved by the football hooligans. I doubt their mentality would change even if the FA employed a German coach and England went on to win another world cup.

Tom

 

[tillson]

I think the real problem is that those who voted to remain are starting to see that they were wrong and that the uk is heading for a post BREXIT utopia.

Understandably, after the arguments on here, which at times have been quite personal, the remainers may be feeling a little embarrassed and a touch defensive.

I think I speak for all BREXITERs when I say that an apology and a thank you for voting OUT from the remainers will be received graciously and there will be no hard feelings in the future.

The good times are just around the corner.

 

[oldgroaner]

I wasn't going to post again on this forum but heyho...
A 16th century philosopher, Lipsius, made suggestions to help people cope with adverse situations. Just been reading a article on him. Lipsius recounts the death tolls of various wars & then continues with graphic descriptions of ancient plagues & famines. His point is that public evils are a constant feature of history & so we shouldn't be surprised to find them in our own time. The philosophy is one of moral distance. If we step back & consider evils in a wider historical context they are perceived as neither especially grievous or unusual. For Lipsius reflection on past evils can be a chilling way to put our troubles into stark perspective. As the article puts it. Our troubles seem much more significant than they actually are. So my take from this is that I would rather have Brexit than 90% of the stuff that's around in the world. Maybe in the grand scheme of things we should be grateful that's all we've got & just enjoy the day.....


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And having had prostate cancer I am always pleased to still be alive, but frankly that fact is an entirely different matter to the one under discussion and meekly going into the darkness is simply copping out in my humble opinion.
When something is obviously wrong it is a duty to at the very least say so.
Just because a majority vote for something does not on any way negate the legitimacy of your own point of view.
Germany found out that simple fact to it's cost last century.

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[Kudoscycles]

So everyone who voted to leave is an idiot and those who voted to stay are wise enlightened people. Guess we know which side you are on

Yep. The word Remoaners wasn't exactly complimentary. It's just the Leavers don't seem to have any other arguments other than we lost now deal with it. When a party loses the GE the opposition don't just rollover they argue their corner, we Remainers are doing that.
I suppose the Brexidiot nickname is really only on the same level of intelligence as Remoaner.
History will tell who was right.
Priti Patel said the government is in a game of poker and doesn't want to show their hand..,which is not surprising when Davis has a pair of twos and the EU has a Royal Flush,hehe
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

The good times are just around the corner.

Trouble is the corner is so large it calls to mind infinity.
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[derf]

I think the real problem is that those who voted to remain are starting to see that they were wrong and that the uk is heading for a post BREXIT utopia.

Understandably, after the arguments on here, which at times have been quite personal, the remainers may be feeling a little embarrassed and a touch defensive.

I think I speak for all BREXITERs when I say that an apology and a thank you for voting OUT from the remainers will be received graciously and there will be no hard feelings in the future.

The good times are just around the corner.

if you could bottle whatever it is you're taking I'd be ever so grateful, there's a whole bunch of patients who during acute stages of major depressive episodes could do with some synthetic denial.

 

[Kudoscycles]

I think the real problem is that those who voted to remain are starting to see that they were wrong and that the uk is heading for a post BREXIT utopia.

Understandably, after the arguments on here, which at times have been quite personal, the remainers may be feeling a little embarrassed and a touch defensive.

I think I speak for all BREXITERs when I say that an apology and a thank you for voting OUT from the remainers will be received graciously and there will be no hard feelings in the future.

The good times are just around the corner.

At least you have maintained a sense of humour.
So which particular corner do we look round to see the imminent good times?
I just don't see any advantages of Leave? Please enlighten me?
Will Theresa May make it beyond x-mas the next vote in parliament will insist on soft Brexit that will stop her triggering Article 50 and that will be the end of this stupid experiment.
KudosDave

 

[derf]

At least you have maintained a sense of humour.
So which particular corner do we look round to see the imminent good times?
I just don't see any advantages of Leave? Please enlighten me?
Will Theresa May make it beyond x-mad, the next vote in parliament will insist on soft Brexit that will stop here triggering Article 50 and that will be the end of this stupid experiment.
KudosDave

I've done a 180, like old tom and OG before I now hope may totally gets her way and there is a very hard brexit. I think the only thing that will really challenge the ugly xenophobia and opportunism that fuelled the brexit vote is very harsh economic reality. I think UK should leave the common market

 

[flecc]

I've done a 180, like old tom and OG before I now hope may totally gets her way and there is a very hard brexit. I think the only thing that will really challenge the ugly xenophobia and opportunism that fuelled the brexit vote is very harsh economic reality. I think UK should leave the common market

Make it four of us, I posted long ago that I hope we do leave so those who voted leave get a real sense of what that will entail.

Shock treatment is sometimes the best option for a return to reality.
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[derf]

Make it four of us, I posted long ago that I hope we do leave so those who voted leave get a real sense of what that will entail.

Shock treatment is sometimes the best option for a return to reality.
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I wasn't going to post again on this forum but heyho...
A 16th century philosopher, Lipsius, made suggestions to help people cope with adverse situations. Just been reading a article on him. Lipsius recounts the death tolls of various wars & then continues with graphic descriptions of ancient plagues & famines. His point is that public evils are a constant feature of history & so we shouldn't be surprised to find them in our own time. The philosophy is one of moral distance. If we step back & consider evils in a wider historical context they are perceived as neither especially grievous or unusual. For Lipsius reflection on past evils can be a chilling way to put our troubles into stark perspective. As the article puts it. Our troubles seem much more significant than they actually are. So my take from this is that I would rather have Brexit than 90% of the stuff that's around in the world. Maybe in the grand scheme of things we should be grateful that's all we've got & just enjoy the day.....


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i half agree - I'm originally form Africa and think (after 17 years here) quality of life in Europe is so far superior to where I was from, that the definition of hardship here is entirely tolerable. It's what makes me feel OK'ish (not enough to "just enjoy the day" while brexit happens but enough not to have an infarct) with the next few years, which I think will be rough in the UK.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think the real problem is that those who voted to remain are starting to see that they were wrong and that the uk is heading for a post BREXIT utopia.

Understandably, after the arguments on here, which at times have been quite personal, the remainers may be feeling a little embarrassed and a touch defensive.

I think I speak for all BREXITERs when I say that an apology and a thank you for voting OUT from the remainers will be received graciously and there will be no hard feelings in the future.

The good times are just around the corner.

Excellent![emoji1] you can always rely on tillson for sheer black comedy, and this is one of his better efforts , by the way I think you misspelled that word.
Allow me to assist
The word you were looking for was
Dystopia not Utopia .
Otherwise it was good and original, as in the old WC Fields line.
"That was good and original my boy.
But the parts that were good weren't original.
And the parts that were original weren't good"
I remain your biggest fan , I do so love comedy[emoji1]

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[Kudoscycles]

Reading the update on the legal challenge to stop May using Royal Prerogative to trigger Article 50,early in the submissions the judge has questioned whether triggering Article 50 is reversible,the judge has declared that this is of important constitution relevance and needs to be decided before the decision over how Article 50 can be triggered,he has referred the question of reversibility to a higher court,consensus is that this will then be referred to the European Court.
Once this legal point has been decided then the matter of how May can trigger Article 50 can then be judged.
This is making May's timescale to trigger Article 50 in March looking impossible,looks like minimum timescale is 18 months.
Looks like parliament will have ages to decide what form Brexit will take!!!!
KudosDave

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[oldgroaner]

Reading the update on the legal challenge to stop May using Royal Prerogative to trigger Article 50,early in the submissions the judge has questioned whether triggering Article 50 is reversible,the judge has declared that this is of important constitution relevance and needs to be decided before the decision over how Article 50 can be triggered,he has referred the question of reversibility to a higher court,consensus is that this will then be referred to the European Court.
Once this legal point has been decided then the matter of how May can trigger Article 50 can then be judged.
This is making May's timescale to trigger Article 50 in March looking impossible,looks like minimum timescale is 18 months.
Looks like parliament will have ages to decide what form Brexit will take!!!!
KudosDave

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Shame! I have just ordered a "T" shirt with the Slogan "Article 50 now!"
No matter I shall order a new one with the slogan
Never in British History has so little been owed by so many to so Few. (with a nice Close up of the three Brexiters with Mayhem in the background)

 

[Kudoscycles]

There are implications to Brexit that I hadn't considered. Theresa May has been summoned for an urgent meet with the Irish PM,the strength of the Euro against the pound is causing problems for Irish exporters who ship product to the UK,the trade is worth £1.5bn per year.
Already a mushroom grower from Tiperary has gone bust with the loss of 75 jobs. Irish meat is now not competitive in the UK.
Do we hate the Irish so much as to give them these problems.
KudosDave